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Topic: Steel on "Wasn't Born to Follow"?? |
Chip Fossa
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Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 27 Jun 2005 7:21 pm |
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Yeah Mark...
Whatddddddaaay talkin' bout anyvay????? |
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Jason Odd
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Stawell, Victoria, Australia
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Posted 1 Jul 2005 8:35 pm
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Well said Gene, Carl didn't get much of a look in over the years.
The one album that he's practically all over is the Jerry Inman LP for Columbia from 1968, Inman and Carl should one day get some recognition for this great lost set.
Mark Lind-Hanson, it doesn't matter if the Byrds were prettier at so-called heavier guitar parts, my point remains that they didn't initiate hard rock.
If you don't like the VU, fine.. but personally I'd rather a good song about smack than any more of Crosby's love triangle sh!t.
Then again I no real preference between Hank Williams and Napalm Death, both are excellent.
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Mark Lind-Hanson
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Menlo Park, California, USA
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Posted 25 Jul 2005 11:45 am
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"The Byrds didn't intiate hard rock."
Well!
I'm not so sure I was saying anything about being "pretty" here. Listen to "Lover of the Bayou" if you want them at their nastiest.
Maybe they didn't "start" hard rock but- then who did? You could say the BEtles (and) the Stones- but the Byrds were contemporaneous and every bit as good, and in my mind, every bit as "hard" asthe others. In fact in my mind the three bands are inseparably linked in the years 1965-66
- but the point (maybe) is the Byrds were America's Beatles, without a doubt! Everything that came after (here in the USA)owed a little bit of their success to them or at least, if anyone said they weren't influenced by them (or their success) at the time, they'd be fibbers. (the Beach Boys) were already a fixture on the landscape, and certainly not as "heavy".
It's too bad McGuinn & Hillman had to be so Christian & moralistic about Crosby's little "Triad" song- it was a better song than a few that they had written themselves at that period, even if it took Grace Slick to really do it justice. And that kind of thing was happening back then- too bad they took offense... I was less a Crosby fan than a Hillman & McGuinn fan, too, back then, so maybe that's saying something.
And -I don't pay any attention to "death metal" (or rap music), myself. I find absolutely nothing there to inspire me...
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Dave Brophy
From:
Miami FL
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Posted 25 Jul 2005 5:44 pm
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| The Beatles were the Cartwright Family of English pop music.John was Ben (Pa) Cartwright,Paul was Little Joe (chicks dug him),George was Adam (the serious one),and Ringo was Hoss.Just smaller. |
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Jason Odd
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Stawell, Victoria, Australia
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Posted 29 Jul 2005 5:52 am
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>>> It's too bad McGuinn & Hillman had to be so Christian & moralistic about Crosby's little "Triad" song >>>
Actually, I think they knew it was crap.
Gene Clark threw away better songs than any of the other Byrds, and I'm a massive Byrds fan. I don't make that comment lightly at all.
Going back to some of the original comments, the post recording analysis of Byrds sessions is interesting.
Jim Sliff is on the money about the non-bender Clarence, and where the Red Rhodes mis-credit for Goin' Back comes from is a mystery to me.
The group at this point was amazing, fragmented and falling apart, they managed to make a fantastic under-recieved set, although a lot of great records came out in 1968.
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 29 Jul 2005 6:33 am
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The "Triad" issue has been explained by McGuinn, Hillman and Crosby over the years. As Jason said, it had nothing to do with "moralistic" issues (McGuinn was one of the hardest partiers in those days, and later had a "bad cold", if you catch my drift). They just simply thought it was a crap song. I think it's a crap song. Crosby has even said that, looking back, it probably might have been a crap song.
But Crosby was a hard-headed a-h and a grating personality, so the song was a good excuse to say sayonara.
The "Red Rhodes" rumors were likely because he was part of "the gang", with his amp shop on (I think) Melrose. Everybody hung around who needed work done on their equipment - it was the place to be if you wanted to see rock stars in the late 60's and early 70's. I used to buy stuff there when Skunk Baxter worked the counter. |
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