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Topic: lead and steel dont mix |
Steven Welborn
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Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2005 4:25 pm |
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| According to a lab test I have about 33 times the safe allowable amount of lead in my system. Done a lot of house prep and painting over the years. Ive been having a real tuff time thinking on my feet. You know, focusing, seeing the patterns, getting the fingers to execute and remember as they should after many hours woodsheding. Tried to play with some folks today and faltered miserably. Had to go home and medicate with some Budzac. Im not asking for any sad violin melody here...just wondering if anyone has had any experience with this lead thing. Im on chelation but its going to take about 8 months or so to get this crap out of my system. I hoping for a silver lining here. All the practice in the world seems to make no diff. I am under Budzac at the moment so please excuse if this is an innapropriate post. Nevertheless...any recovered leadheads out there? [This message was edited by Steven Welborn on 27 March 2005 at 04:54 PM.] |
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Brendan Mitchell
From:
Melbourne Australia
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Posted 27 Mar 2005 8:26 pm
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| Do what? |
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Al Udeen
From:
maple grove mn usa
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Posted 27 Mar 2005 9:04 pm
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| Get the Lead out! |
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Pete Grant
From:
Auburn, CA, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2005 11:34 pm
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Twenty years ago I did a supervised regimen of exercise, mega-doses of vitamins and a whole lot of sweating in the sauna. I cleaned out all kinds of crap from my body and felt and tested brighter. (An unexpected by-product of that was that I quit smoking after 25 years of smoking and quitting and smoking and quitting and so on.)
Just last year there used to be radio ads in the Sacramento area for places where you go to do that regimen. I don't know if they're still around. I didn't use that particular company or chain but it sure sounded just like what I did. Maybe someone here knows about it.
Good luck in getting all that stuff out. |
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Jerry Hayes
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Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 6:13 am
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Interesting post, I thought you were talking about lead as in "Lead Guitar" and I was wondering why they didn't mix....JH
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Livin' in the Past and Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.
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Ray Minich
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Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 7:06 am
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| Lead poisoning is a lot easier to encounter than one would think. |
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Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 7:09 am
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Pete G. You have a great thought with the sauna thing. My wife and I bought one for Christmas for health reasons and I can tell you that the toxins and impurities that you can remove from you body via a good sauna is an incredible benefit.
Edit. Just did a Google search on "toxic metal poisoning and saunas" and indeed the sauna is one of the best ways to reduce these levels in your body. Go with a FAR infrared type sauna, not the Finnish steam style. You should be able to find a heath club or such that offers this service and you might even be able to get your doctor to prescribe these sauna treatments and your insurance company might pay for them.[This message was edited by Bill Hatcher on 28 March 2005 at 07:19 AM.] |
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Savell
From:
Slocomb, AL
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 8:26 am
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| . [This message was edited by Savell on 29 May 2005 at 06:51 PM.] |
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Jon Jaffe
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 8:42 am
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Chelation therapy should be considered when blood lead levels reach 25 mg/dL in children and 51 mg/dL in adults.
Avoiding continued exposure is as important as treatment. Adults generally do not develop central effects but may develop distal motor neuropathies. Some reports document an increase in depressive disorders, aggressive behavior, and other maladaptive affective disorders in adult lead poisoned patients.
Defects in sexual performance, frank impotence, infertility, and increased fetal wastage have been associated with lead poisoning in adults.
Postgrad Med. 1996 Mar;99(3):201-2, 207-18.
I have a lot of experiece treating lead poisoning. Stick with the chelation. Have your baseline skills documented. You will improve if there is no further exposure. Keep on pickin', do not give up. |
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Roland Buras
From:
Kiln, MS, 45 miles east of New Orleans off I-10 USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 8:53 am
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Steven, I thought your post was relating to "Lead Guitar" as well, however what you have consumed is not very easy to remove. you or in the right direction in doing the Kelation therapy treatment.
EDTA { ethylenediamineteraacetic Acid } A solution first used during the 2cd war by the Germans to remove biochemicals and metal deposits from the arteries and bloodstream. Very Positive results. I recently went through thirty treatments for blocked arteries. there is a company you can order a Liquid dose through called Cardio Renew a 90 to 95% absorbtion rate throught the liquid process. www.cardiorenew.com hope you the best of luck.
Roland Buras
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 9:56 am
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I truly appreciate all youre informative and supportive response.
Jon, By DISTAL, do you mean extremities, as in fingers? That would explain a lot. Im not sure what mg/dl is. My hair analysis results indicated about 55 mg(lead) per gram(tissue). Is that the same thing? The safe allowable limit is about 1.5 mg/gram. I also have toxic levels of cadmium.But nothing like the lead.
Im doing a suppository form of EDTA chelation, which some consider preferable to IV as its more gradual and perhaps cheaper too. But its still not cheap. $100 a box(10 suppossitories). Ill need to go through about 30 boxes at least.
I think it will be a good idea to supplement with infrared saunas as well.
And whoever said it is correct. There is more lead around us than people realize. The symptoms of lead poisoning are a steelers nightmere. Thanks for the encouragement. I will be picking on. |
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HowardR
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N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 10:21 am
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I always thought he was! |
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Jon Jaffe
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 10:26 am
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| Sorry for the choice of words. Yes nerves in the hands and fingers. Not the brain. I am not familiar with EDTA by that route. If it is working great! |
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Jon Jaffe
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 12:30 pm
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| One additional comment, hair is ALWAYS contaminated, get blood levels. |
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Frank Parish
From:
Nashville,Tn. USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 2:32 pm
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Interesting subject. I know about the lead found in paint but where else would you pick it up at?
Jon,
Do recommend everyone be tested for lead? Is it a blood test or just what? |
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William Peters
From:
Effort, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 3:09 pm
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Frank,
A lot of us ingested lead from leaded gasoline exhaust before we switched to unleaded. Also, breathing solder fumes is another way to get lead, and plumbers used to solder copper pipes with lead based solder. Acidic water can leach lead out of the solder joints. Now, building codes require leadless solder for water pipes.
Steven,
There is a test for heavy metals where DMPS is administered by IV, then you collect your urine for 6 hours after. The test costs $55.00. I had one done, and the only thing that showed up with me was a small amount of mercury. But I have already been chelated 58 times. The IV EDTA chelation works miracles for clogged arteries, so that should be a side benefit for you.... money well spent.
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http://www.wgpeters.com
Mullen RP SD12U, ART-SLA, Tubefex, Vamp-Pro
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Jon Jaffe
From:
Austin, Texas
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 4:51 pm
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| Only children need to be routinely tested for lead poisoning. Lead poisoning tends to be endemic for location and has improved since lead was removed from gasoline. If one has not excluded other causes for motor problems, then there is another problem. |
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 4:53 pm
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| Tha hair analysis seems to me ought to be fairly accurate. About a half inch is clipped closest to scalp in back of the head after washing for several weeks with non-contamining baby shampoo. sealed in plastic bag. My understanding was that hair analysis is more indicative of lead amount that has been accumulated and established in the body tissues as opposed to lead levels in the blood at any particular time. Even if not 100% accurate, knowing my history of certain exposure, its probably pretty damn close. |
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 5:14 pm
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Also- an unfortunate side effect of chelation...as lead or any heavy metals are released from the tissues into the blood than exiting the body, blood levels will go up and so will the symptoms. So things seem to get worse before they get better.  |
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Tim Hurst
From:
Newport, TN
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 6:01 pm
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| For all you shooters, be sure and use adequate ventilation if you cast bullets. Also be sure to wash your hands thoroughly after handloading and especially after picking up brass. |
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David Mason
From:
Cambridge, MD, USA
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Posted 29 Mar 2005 3:47 am
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| I was waiting for somebody else to say this first, but: if you're having problems with nerve damage due to lead exposure (or any other reason, MS, diabetes etc) medicating the pain with "Budzac" is a really bad idea. Alcohol is a nerve poison just like lead or arsenic, and you want to give your nerves every chance they can get to recover. I have peripheral damage cause by some pinching from vertebrae in my neck (since corrected), and the neurosurgeon said alcohol was a definite no-no, even though it works really well to quell the tingling. There are some other drugs your doctor can recommend - an anti-inflammatory NSAID at therapeutic doses helps, though you have to watch your stomach lining, and there is a drug called Neurontin that works really well for nerve pain. Nicotine or caffeine aren't doing you any favors right now either. |
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