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MUSICO
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Jeremy Williams in Spain
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Posted 6 Aug 2005 1:19 pm |
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¿What soultions are there for this problem?
When bending nehind the bar I have to stop damping bahind the bar and some notes have a horrible ringing sound from the string vibrating both sides of the bar.
¿Any ideas?
Jeremy Williams
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Harry Dietrich
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Robesonia, Pennsylvania, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Aug 2005 1:28 pm
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Are you pushing down, or pulling the string towards you?
Harry |
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D Schubert
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Columbia, MO, USA
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Posted 6 Aug 2005 5:46 pm
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| (first reply was w/o a guitar in hand, see below) [This message was edited by D Schubert on 07 August 2005 at 03:07 PM.] |
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MUSICO
From:
Jeremy Williams in Spain
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Posted 7 Aug 2005 1:45 am
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Im pulling the string toward me. Works fine....but on the other strings I have no contact other than the bar....so they vibrate behind the bar too.
For a noticeable example of this place the bar at the 12th fret, dont let your left hand touch the strings, just hold the bar, and pluck strings UGH!!!!
Jeremy Williams
Narcelona Spain
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Harry Dietrich
From:
Robesonia, Pennsylvania, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 7 Aug 2005 2:22 am
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Jeremy
Are you using your middle or ring finger. I use my ring finger and have no problems .
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Jay Fagerlie
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Lotus, California, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2005 6:17 am
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I use my ring finger and damp with the pinky.
It's kind of tricky at first to keep your pinky still while pulling with the ring finger, but I got used to it.
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D Schubert
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Columbia, MO, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2005 2:17 pm
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| I do this all the time automatically, but had forgotten exactly how I do it. What I described previously was just plain wrong. Now, after I've oberved myself critically, I will tell you that I play with index finger on top of a grooved Scheerhorn bar, gently sandwiched between thumb and middle finger. At the same time I'm muting behind the bar ring finger and pinkie -- and also blocking with my right palm and picks, a lot of the time. When I bend the 1st or 2nd string with my ring finger, I catch myself taking my thumb off the bar and bracing it against the side of the guitar fingerboard for a good, hard pull. And consciously pushing down on the bar a tiny bit as I pull so that it stays in full contact with the strings. What I also noticed was, as I brace my thumb and pull, my left hand rotates a bit clockwise, so that the muting fingers are extended even further over the strings behind the bar. |
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Steinar Gregertsen
From:
Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 7 Aug 2005 2:37 pm
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Jerry Douglas doesn't seem to worry that much about damping when pullig behind the bar:
I haven't worked enough on this myself to really have much advice to offer.....
Steinar
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Curt Langston
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Posted 7 Aug 2005 2:39 pm
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What's up with the upside down question mark? I don't have that on my keyboard. 
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I'd rather be opinionated, than apathetic!
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Bill Bosler
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Schwenksville, Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2005 4:04 pm
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| Curt - If you had a Spanish keyboard, you would have one. That's how a question is punctuated in Spanish. |
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MUSICO
From:
Jeremy Williams in Spain
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Posted 8 Aug 2005 2:41 am
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¡Curt!
¡Great question! It´s a Spanish thing and ¿why bother? Well I think it´s a great idea....helps specially if you are reading out loud, because it´s very easy to start reading a sentence as a statement only to discover too late that it´s a question.
example
Paul Franklin is as good on nonpedal as he is on pedal steel.
inow read it again out loud as
Paul Franklin is as good on nonpedal as he is on pedal steel?
much better to be warned in advance that its
¿Paul Franklin is as good on nonpedal as he is on pedal steel?
Anyway having hijacked my own thread I must get back and say thanks for the replies. I have learnt it wrong and bend with my ring finger...maling it impossible to damp. I will now have to RElearn with the middle finger. I HATE relearning, much more difficult than learning right in the first place.
Jeremy Williams
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Gary Boyett
From:
Colorado
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Ron Brennan
From:
Orlando, Florida, USA; Formerly, Edison, NJ
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Posted 8 Aug 2005 5:31 am
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I just saw Harry Dietrich (above post) play at the NJ Steel Jam yesterday. I had to look over his way several times to see what I was hearing him play. He had a cool lapsteel on a stand. I almost thought he was bending the whole neck...just kidding. He really has that string pull technique down expertly. Yeah, he uses the ring finger too..I didn't notice if he kept his pinkie finger down. TX
rgds,
Ron
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HowardR
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N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Ron Brennan
From:
Orlando, Florida, USA; Formerly, Edison, NJ
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Posted 8 Aug 2005 10:15 am
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Hmmm, this is interesting. Is that like sayin in Canadian...."Harry really know's how to do string pulls, ehh" Does the sentence end with a period (.) or a (?).....just wonderin?.?.?. With or without accent?.?.?,  TX
rgds,
Ron[This message was edited by Ron Brennan on 08 August 2005 at 11:36 AM.] |
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Keith Cordell
From:
San Diego
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Posted 9 Aug 2005 5:06 am
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| I spent a delightful afternoon with Garland Nash, and watched him play some amazing DOUBLE string bends behind the bar, pulling one string a half step and the other a whole step; needless to say I am not even gonna try that for years yet. And that was with a 1" bar. Yikes. |
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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