what is my set-up called?

Robert Thomas · From: Mehama, Oregon, USA

E-9th
1st 2nd 3rd LKL LKR RKL RKR
1 G
2 D
3 A
4 F# Eb F
5 C# C#
6 A
7 G
8 Eb F
9 C#
10 C#

C-6th
4th 5th 6th 7th 8th RKL
1
2 F
3 D B
4 B B
5 F#
6 Eb
7 C#
8 B
9 F# Eb
10 D A

I have used this set up since I purchased my new 1971 Sho-Bud, the Professional.

Robert Thomas · From: Mehama, Oregon, USA

Sorry, but this topic did not print the way I posted it. It refuses to line up the note designations the way I printed them under each pedal and knee lever shown.

Jim Smith · From: Midlothian, TX, USA

Here you go:

E-9th


  1st 2nd 3rd LKL LKR RKL RKR


1                         G 


2                 D 


3     A


4         F#  Eb      F


5 C#      C#


6     A


7                         G


8             Eb      F


9                 C#


10 C#





C-6th


    4th 5th 6th 7th 8th RKL


1


2           F 


3               D       B 


4   B           B


5       F#


6           Eb


7                   C#


8   B


9       F#          Eb


10      D           A

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Well, the way I see it, your pedal set-up is the Emmons setup, ( A pedal raises 5 and 10 ) but the knee levers appear to be somewhat different, at least to me. Generally, a more common setup has the E raise on the LKL, the E Lower on the LKR, the second string lower is usually on the RKR. The 4th knee lever, I have seen more commonly raising the first string, second string and other choices as well. Don't get me wrong, this is not a wrong set-up, as I don't believe there is a wrong set up, but it is not in my opinion a common setup.

If it works for you then it's right. I have heard one of the very top pro's, maybe the top pro state regarding the E levers as that they should be on the same knee. oh well..

tp

Jerry Roller · From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA

Jim, I found that I could do that by placing a period at the beginning of the line then it would space out. How did you do that?

Jerry

[This message was edited by Jerry Roller on 02 December 2002 at 09:21 PM.]

b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

Use the [tab] feature to make charts. See the UBB Code Help File for instructions.

Jim Smith · From: Midlothian, TX, USA

Jerry, the UBB "tab" feature is what I used. I hit the edit button on Robert's post, copied what he had, pasted it into my reply, and added the UBB "tab" codes around it.

Wade Medlock · From: Avondale Estates, GA USA

Along this line, exactly what is the Jimmy Day tuning? I may have it but not call it by its right name.

Bob Farlow · From: Marietta,GA,

Exactly WHAT do you call it, cowboy?

Robert Thomas · From: Mehama, Oregon, USA

Hey guys, thanks for the help.

Bob Carlson · From: Surprise AZ.

That would be a booger to play with the LKL lowering the E strings.

Bob.

Reggie Duncan · From: Mississippi

Booger is right.

Dave Van Allen · From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

I had my e lowers on my lkl with emmons pedals for 25 years on my MSA. raised 'em to f with lkr...now THAT was a "booger" hittin the a pedal and that lever

I will second Joe wright's assertions about ankle flexibility

Ron Page · From: Penn Yan, NY USA

DVA,

Also, Joe teaches the subtle but necessary technique of lifting the heel off the ground --using only the toe on the B-pedal and LKL.

My LKL is the raise, but Joe still made us try that with the B-pedal. I felt real stupid once he pointed out the now obvious technique I described above.

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HagFan

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Wade, in the "Day setup" (look at Jim Smith's E9th diagram), pedals 1 & 3 are reversed (swapped), so instead of the first three pedals being "a-b-c", the first three pedals would be "c-b-a".

Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Maybe some ankles can move several directions at once

tp

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 03 December 2002 at 01:52 PM.]

Gene Jones · From: Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)

...you can get used to anything. I lower my E's with RKL and raise 'em with LKL...

I don't know if the assembler had a hangover, or a warped sense of humor, but my Sho-Bud came from the factory that way so I still play that way! I never was one to change something that works.

www.genejones.com

Bob Carlson · From: Surprise AZ.

A fine steel player told me a few years back when I was looking for a new steel, that a lot of players raise their E's with the right knee because there are times when A and B pedals are down and you need to raise them so you have to use the right knee.

Any one run across this? I feel it's true...first because of who told me, and second because there are a lot tuned that way.

Bob.

David Doggett · Posted 3 Dec 2002 10:25 pm

I can hold down the A and B pedals (Emmons setup) and raise the Es with LKL easy (it has a Bobbe Seymour sound to me). There must be some other reason for raising the Es with a right knee. Hitting only the B pedal and the LKL seems impossible, but I haven't found a use for that. Putting the E raises and lowers on the same knee does make some sense, because you would never need to do both at the same time.

Robert Thomas · From: Mehama, Oregon, USA

The set-up I tried to type correctly came with my 1971 Sho-Bud. I don't have a problem with the set up, but was crious as to whether it was Emmons or Day and aparently it is neither.
Thanks for your input or output.

David Doggett · Posted 4 Dec 2002 4:18 pm

Robert, according to Jim's printout of your E9 setup, your pedals are Emmons setup, ABC. The Emmons/Day terminology usually refers to the pedals, which they had that way before there were any knees added I think. However, your knees look like the way someone with Day pedals (CBA) would want them. It looks like a former owner had a Day setup and changed only the pedals to Emmons. If it came from the factory that way, I think somebody made a boo-boo.

[This message was edited by David Doggett on 04 December 2002 at 04:19 PM.]

Robert Thomas · From: Mehama, Oregon, USA

Thanks David. I don't have a problem with my set up, but if it was a boo-boo from the factory, I don't have a problem with it. I was just curios as to what set up I have.
Again thanks for your input.

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