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clive swindell
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Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 5:08 am |
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| I heard a track on the radio this morning - 'Teach your children well' and it has steel guitar all over it. I have checked on cdnow site and there is no steel player mentioned. Anyone know who it was or was it one of them themselves? |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 5:18 am
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Oooh, Clive! You don't know what you just stepped in...
The player was Jerry Garcia. That is all. Please ask to have this thread closed. Trust me on this one, pal.  |
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nick allen
From:
France
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 5:44 am
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   Trust him!
(Also, go to "search", enter search word "Garcia", look under Archive: Bar Chatter, and probably Steel Players...) - then you'll know...
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Chip Fossa
From:
Monson, MA, USA (deceased)
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 6:07 am
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Yeah fellas,
Good Advice!...whoa! lookout! you almost
stepped in it. |
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JB Arnold
From:
Longmont,Co,USA (deceased)
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 7:35 am
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RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
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Fulawka D-10 9&5
"All in all, looking back, I'd have to say the best advice anyone ever gave me was 'Hands Up, Don't Move!"
www.johnbarnold.com/pedalsteel
www.buddycage.net
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Steve Feldman
From:
Central MA USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 7:49 am
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| bye now... |
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Steven Knapper
From:
Temecula Ca USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 7:55 am
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| Clive, you HAVE opened a hornets nest here. Do the searches mentioned |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 7:58 am
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Hi Clive,
I agree that you should asked for this to be closed.
If you want to know why do a search for TYC or Garcia in "Bar Chatter".
I've tabbed this song. It's at http://users.interlinks.net/rebel/steel/1970.html
Better not say anything else...
bye...
-j0ey- |
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Larry Miller
From:
Dothan AL,USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 9:27 am
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Dave Van Allen
From:
Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 9:37 am
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this thread proves once again the necessity for a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) section for this forum...
I've breached the subject with b0b once, and the concensus is it would be a challenge and time consuming to create, and even if there was one few would likely read it...
oh well.
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 9:43 am
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| I've heard it said that Jerry Garcia is the greatest steel player of all time. [This message was edited by Pete Burak on 01 March 2002 at 10:44 AM.] |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 9:47 am
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Pete, I always knew you were a troublemaker.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Emmons D-10 9x9, 1971 Dobro
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 10:21 am
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| Pete! Go back in your hole. Leave Clive alone. He's a nice man; he doesn't need any trouble. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 10:43 am
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It was Paul Franklin, Clive.
Paul Franklin, yeah, that's it.
 [This message was edited by Pete Burak on 01 March 2002 at 10:45 AM.] |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 10:53 am
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Clive, my man, my man... do the right thing. Say those seven little words we're all longing to hear, "OK b0b, you can lock this thread". It's not hard, Clive. You can even copy it from above and paste it into your own posting. Trust me, we'll all sleep better once you do this.
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Danny Kuykendall
From:
Fullerton, CA, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 11:11 am
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Clive, I guess I can't resist the temptation to attempt to say something nice about Jerry Garcia. Albeit he was a professed "amateur" on the pedal steel guitar, the feeling that he applied to this particular song (I thought) was especially moving and fit the song perfectly. I believe he played this in a very "innocent" and uncorrupted fashion, without a lot of fills or licks that had been copied from other artists. He didn't do much else on the pedal steel, but what he did on particular song was truly a nice addition.
OK, guys, let me have it!
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Tony Orth
From:
Evansville, Indiana, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 11:51 am
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Well, at least Jerry was a musician.
Seems there's a lot of regular guitar players out there on today's rock scene getting paid megabucks to play a string of songs made up of nothing but 3 or 4 power chords.
They do, however, have to be able to wear their guitar around their knees and jump all over the stage for hours.
Tony
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Steve England
From:
Austin, TX
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 11:57 am
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Oh dear It's started!!!!!!
Don't say nobody warned you!!!!! |
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BobG
From:
Holmdel, NJ
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 12:07 pm
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| I just read a Buddy Cage interview on his website. In it he had something to say about Garcias' playing and that session in particular. Definately worth reading. |
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Kim West
From:
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 7:54 pm
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| hmmm...this is NOT how i was intending to spend a snowy friday night in iowa! i swear, the LAST thing i did immediately before reading THIS topic was fire a reply in the ryan adams/jay leno topic. what's the worry: that pedal steel is going to be overrun by ROCKERS? come on, get over it. people can have a wide variety of interests, can't they? give a listen to the "grateful dawg" soundtrack if you think old dead jerry was nothing but lsd and cocaine. see the movie--watch him play--learn that jerry started out playing bluegrass BEFORE the dead came around. the man could play. now I'M going outside to make a snow angel. |
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Bob Blair
From:
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 1 Mar 2002 9:42 pm
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| I dug your reply to the Ryan Adams post too Kim. Welcome to the Forum! Some folks here have historically taken issue with uppity hippies playing "our" instrument. Others of us like to think we still are uppity hippies, even in middle age! Read the Buddy Cage post and take heart! |
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Kim West
From:
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted 2 Mar 2002 8:30 am
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| bob--thanks for the history lesson. very cool. i vaguely recall seeing nrps and the dead in iowa city in march,1971. i'm assuming that was my first (albeit unwitting)exposure to buddy cage. i wonder how many times since then i've heard his music...seriously, bob, thanks for the tip. there ARE some good folks reading this stuff! |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 2 Mar 2002 8:34 am
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I can't help it...I too liked JG playing Steel on the CSN&Y track, It was simplistic but I liked it . I was a step 1 novice at that time and just plain liked it. I told a friend at that time about how great Buddy Emmons was and he replied by telling me that if this Emmons guy was so good why didn't he play with CSN&Y !
Oh well..
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Steve Miller
From:
Long Beach, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Mar 2002 4:36 pm
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I was so impressed by it that I remember where I was and what I was doing the first time I heard that song. I absolutely loved the steel. It made the song. I didn't know it was Jerry so I couldn't be prejudiced one way or the other. It turned me and thousands of others onto pedal steel almost overnight.
The thing is, most people don't know the difference between a really great player and an average one. But they know what they like. People liked Jerry's playing. So
what's wrong with that?
I'd like to know,
so here we go again....
Steve |
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Kim West
From:
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted 2 Mar 2002 6:18 pm
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| i'm game: i've mentioned somewhere that my band just finished making an album, and that we had a variety of folks grace us with their talents, including goose goodrich from macon, georgia, on pedal steel. chuck leavell played keyboards on three tracks. lee roy parnell played a smoking slide solo on one song. col. bruce hampton told us all about love on a song. mick thomson played killer guitar solos on two songs. someone out there might know goose; i KNOW many of you know chuck from the allman brothers, the rolling stones, sea level. he also plays on train's song "drops of jupiter", which i think just won a grammy. many of you are familiar with lee roy's work. mick thomson's band's first album has sold over two million copies; their second one is also en route to going platinum. i DON'T CARE if they jump when they play. to me, it means they're diggin' what they're doin'. i would too, but i play a big old hammond organ, and i'm not jerry lee lewis. the point i'm trying to make is that anyone who makes music is a musician. doesn't matter to me if i like the music they make; they are still musicians. you don't have to enjoy the product to respect the process. guess what, folks, there's LOTS of people who think the music you folks play is not THEIR cups of tea. but i'm guessing that if there WAS such a thing as a ryan adams forum, would wouldn't find "forumites" bemoaning the future of rock and roll because bucky baxter sits in, or that that darned hippie jerry garcia ever sat down at a pedal steel. no, i bet they think it's pretty cool. they might even go out and buy the entire BR549 collection (like i did) because they enjoy it. how about THAT? music is SUPPOSED to trigger an emotional response, not unlike these topics about jerry and bucky. and if the old geezers out there are jumping up and down, then GOOD FOR THEM! while you're up, get ready for this: the name of mick thomson's band is SLIPKNOT! good night, folks. play on. |
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