Road steeler vs. Session steeler Pt. 2

Smiley Roberts · From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075

I,heartily,concur with ALL the above.

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Gene Jones · From: Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)

Herb....I think you have it "pegged" without further explanation......www.genejones.com

Gene Jones · From: Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)

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Mike Cass · Posted 9 Jul 2001 10:30 am

Less,....

.. I was refering to your first post...time 5:44 am, I believe... maybe you werent awake totally for that one .. & dont let yer mouth write checks yer rear end cant cash, smart a$$ ,...maybe you can intimidate others with your rage fueled by your obvious insecurities, but I laugh at your pathetic attempts to drag me to your level. Attempts which, btw,have accomplished little else other than your prolonged a$$ kissing of the fellow who started this topic.Youve been warned, now BACK OFF!! or i'll humiliate you worse than you've already humiliated yourself......if such a thing is even possible

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Mike Cass · Posted 9 Jul 2001 11:04 am

Thanx for saving me the trouble...& I thought perhaps it couldnt be done...
I stand corrected.

Johan Jansen · From: Europe

please, stop this , guys!
It's not making sence.

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ESnow · From: Berryville AR USA

I read Les Cambell's post about Charlie Robison then this mornig I heard the Nashville report form Al Wynter. He has a radio report on whats happening in Nashville. In one of Brad Paisley's interviews Brad spoke of how he loved triditional country music, then an interview with Charlie R. Charlie refered to Brad, more than once, as a MORON!! Brad's responce was he sure hated that Charlie felt that way about him but he also said that wouldn't stop him from listening and likeing Charlies cd's. I feel that Brad P. is one of the best things that has happened to country music in along time. IMHO, Charlie better hope his famous wife doesn't boot him out in the future, and as for Brad, He will still be around giving us good country music long after Charlie R. is gone and nobody remembers his name. To me that shows a huge difference between Brad and Charlies people skills. I know this post is alittle off topic, maybe, but it shows what kind of guy Brad is. ESnow

Bobbe Seymour · From: Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.

And why are you dragging me into another of your idiot fights Les,Youv've done it again, showing all what a foul disposition you continually have. I don't want to take the time and effort to honor your blatent stupidity on this forum. This is not here for that perpose. Les,why don't you talk about steel guitar or something you know something about.
Bobbe-------

Bobbe Seymour · From: Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.

A lot of guys have made great statments on this post, However , If you really like honesty with "no holds barred", you have to give Mike Cass and Dave Robbins a lot of credit! Plus , what they are saying is correct , as I also see it from MANY years of being here, working studios, road,air, clubs,TV,ETC! These guys, along with Bruce,and Paul are REALLY saying it the way it is. This is not much more than a good educational debate,except for Les,naturally,as ever. Sorry Les,Just lighten up and try to learn something and watch your mouth on the forum,your going to scare more new steel players off than the rest of us can get to join our ranks!
Bobbe-------!

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b0b · From: Cloverdale, CA, USA

I want to point out to everyone that the purpose of the Edit function is to correct spelling misteakes and such. When you change the content of a post that has followups, things get really hard to follow.

It's best to read your post before you submit it and think about how it will sit with your audience. I discard about a third of what I write, and often I hit the back button instead of submitting a post. How does the saying go? Something like "Sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

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Kevin Lamb · From: San Bernardino, CA, USA

After playing guitar for 35 years, on the road, and in the studio I decided to begin learning steel last month. At age 51.
Frankly, I am optomistic about doing studio work in a few years...because studio work is available almost anywhere in the US....even if it is just playing on local radio jingles. In other words, there is dual possibility fufillment and opportunity all across this land.
I will never work a session with Stroud or Gallimore - that does not mean I can't can't have a very full and happy experience with my steel. On the road, and in the studio.
In the meantime I sit with my Bruce Bouton, Llyod Maines, and Jeffran tapes - being happy, happy, happy.

Bill Sampler · Posted 9 Jul 2001 12:26 pm

Boy, this really gives a newbie steel player such as myself a whole new outlook to the steel world. Being a huge fan of Paul F. as well as the other greats, I think it really boils down to, it is a job. Just like myself as a software engineer, or a teacher, or a janitor; it's still is a job. If they don't try and do their best everytime, there is someone waiting in line to take their spot, just as in any other job. True, they have accomplished something that most of us will never achieve and I'm not trying to diminish the fact that Paul and Buddy and the others are truely gifted musicians, but it is a job and there is politics everywhere. Even at the smallest of companies. This is a very enlightening thread. I have learned quite a bit from reading this one as well as the previous one. Just my .02

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slick · From: Calhoun Georgia

Why cant we love one another and get along?

Slick Wayne

Frank Estes · From: Huntsville, AL

Since Christianity and God have been mentioned a few times here...

If it is true that producing songs which celebrate adultery, drinking, etc. are contributing to the moral decay of our society, then are we wrong to accompany artists who sing such songs? Is it possible that God will consider us to be as much of an accomplice as the driver of the get-away car is during a robbery?

In other words, are we compromising our principles/values to play on songs that promote things that we feel are bad for society?

Many years ago, a man named Harold Jenkins said that he would not be surprised if country music is contributing to the moral decay of our society...

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Bill Llewellyn · From: San Jose, CA

Frank,

I started a discussion about that topic back in 9/2000.... might be worth a look:

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum1/HTML/011444.html

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Miguel e Smith · From: Phoenix, AZ

These threads sure have seemed to be the most spirited I've seen yet! ha But...hey, it's good to see what other people are thinking (or not) and with what Paul and Bruce and others have said, maybe it's obvious that a lot of humility has gone into this heartbreaking business that many have as a career.
Concerning the comments above about whether or not some of us are diluting Christianity through our work.....ummmmmm...this may be the next hot topic (not a fair or just one in my opinion however). And just a wee bit of a barb to throw out here...(and this has been widely speculated), but if Jesus walked the Earth now, he would not be hanging out at the local Baptist (or any other) church. He'd be down at Tootsie's or the local strip club...you know, places he was needed the most. I have a pretty wide opinion about lyrics and how they affect those that listen, and yes, there are some out there that I just don't support. However, it's up to each individual to determine what is acceptable and right for his or her own life and career. You might remember a Rod Stewart album a few years back that had a disclaimer written on the back by the producer, Michael Omartian, a professed born again Christian. Something along the lines of "The lyrics contained herein are not necessary the views of the producer". A bold move by a major producer, but still...he produced the album. I'm sure it wasn't simply a financial choice either.
I too thank God for not only my life, but for whatever success and good fortune I've been given. If one of the records I've played on has, in your opinion, questionable lyrics, does that disqualify me from either accepting or thanking God for his provision? Ultimately, we all have to be responsible for our own actions and relationship with God (and whatever name you place upon Him). God has a sneaky way of being the Gospel Police when it comes to things like that. I also thank God that he does not commission you or I (or anyone else) to be deputies to that end.
I don't have to like someone, it's true. But, I don't have the authority to judge another for what I think is his morality or lack of it.

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Frank Estes · From: Huntsville, AL

Thanks for the link, Bill. I guess I missed it the first time. I would still like to read what those who have been posting here think.

Rick Barber · From: Morgan Hill, Calif. USA

I have many times hit the Clear Field button and not submitted replies. I suppose if one considers how constructive and kind a post is to the general steel public there would be lots of editing before posting going on.

My fascination with the forum is to try to gather tips on playing pedal steel . I suppose that is selfish but when I learn what I'm doing I will want to help the young newbies out. They are the ones who will help keep steel alive in the long run. I am not a pro musician, I'm an electronics engineer who likes to play steel on the side. The session work I do is non commercial home recording putting steel breaks into songs I write. My road work is going to steel jams which I live for by the way, and I have played steel for my band.

What makes the forum shine for me is being able to share playing techniques, music, and equipment topics with others both pro and newbies.

When I hear from the pros I appreciate hearing about their pro experiences whether good or bad. When the replies to posts are respectful I pay heed. When they are disrespectful I ignore, and move on quickly.

For the posts that are sincere, informative, respectful I think the newbies will benefit. For those who post disrespectfully I think then as steel community it is up to all of us to try and bring something better out of them.

I would only hope that the pro's will keep posting and I for one would always try to post respectfully whether I agree with a topic or not. After all this is the internet and we need to post and read and react responsibly in kind consideration to others.

Above all I really appreciate Paul sharing his experiences. Carrying a respectful attitude in all we do and say will make us all winners in the end --- no matter how well we play or where we play.

Respectfully submitted,

Rick Barber
Celebrating my 2nd year of playing PSG

Bill Llewellyn · From: San Jose, CA

Frank, that link is within the older, closed Bar Chatter forum, so you'll find you can't post to it. Branching off the subject to a fresh thread here on Steel Players might be a good idea, allowing folks to post....

Pete Mitchell · From: Buda, Texas, USA

Politics? Cliques? Etc.? Years ago I was fortunate enough to have worked with Ernest Tubb, which resulted in a personal friendship with Owen Bradley. Did I schmooze Mr. Bradley? Quite the contrary. Owen would make his way through the backstage crowd at the Opry and want to hang with me. Why? Because I definitely did not schmooze the man. We were friends outside of the "game." Had he offered me sessions? Yes, indeed. Was that my aspiration at the time? No. However, he was prepared to sign an artist I recommended, but said artist got another deal. Did politics have anything to do with recording with the likes of Conway Twitty, Marty Robbins, Charley Rich, Johnny Cash, Haggard, etc. etc? Would I have had the opportunity to record with these people had it not been for Ernest Tubb?

If you are truly sincere to your instrument and yourself, are you not just as content to walk off the stage with three or so sets under your belt knowing that you played in the ballpark of your top level and thinking to yourself, "I wouldn't take back one note." I have all the respect in the world for the Pauls, Bruces, etc. etc. If sessions are their aspirations, I am very happy for them and wish them long and continued successes. The bottom line is the fact that they are playing on records that are selling in the millions. Is that not the general idea?

Now, the poison. It is unfortunate that voices like Darrell McCall's, Curtis Potter's, Leona Williams', and Craig Dillingham's are never heard on the airwaves as opposed to some of these "manufactured" artists who are indeed selling in the millions. I may not care for some of these "new artists," but I am not in any way putting down any musician who may be making a living as a result of a lifetime of preparation, dedication, and lots of hard work.

In the meantime, let us hope that the younger aspiring steeler who may be reading these threads, does not get an adult dose of the jungle it is turning into. Let's just play good music and swap some positive ideas!!! .....Pete

Frank Parish · From: Nashville,Tn. USA

Very interesting thread although it could almost be the second chapter of a book by now. I read the comments by Charlie Robison this morning in the paper about Brad Paisley and it just all sounds like sour grapes to me. I thought Brads comeback was as tactful as MacArthur on the battlefield. For all the folks that think they've been shunned by the producers or anybody on music row, it may not be your playing ability at all. Instead of griping about the call you didn't get, ask yourself why. Before I came to Nashville I worked hotel lounges and country clubs for a living. One night it was dead slow so the organ player and myself were at the bar and the bartender said "Well either they don't know we're here or they DO know we're here". It just might be that the folks who don't get the call ARE known. It could be a hundred other things too but the bottom line is you didn't get the call and they know about you. You never get a second chance to make a first impression so you better make the first one count. I've always believed success is where you make it and don't cry because it's not going your way today. I used to be the guy who always spoke his mind. It never got me anywhere. I got into the steel guitar game much too late to even think about playing sessions and could care less. Having a positive attitude as opposed to a negative one would be a good place to start. One thing is for sure, griping about it isn't going to get you any more sessions or live work and probably less. Nobody wants to work with somebody negative. Every time I get knocked down I get up and try a different way of going about it and look at it as a challenge. I could never play like some of the people I read about on this forum but if I could I'd be darn glad to have the ability and that would be enough. Somebody's got to be at the top and the rest are going to be somewhere below and that's the way it is. You could be in a car wreck tomorrow and never play again or your kid could die in a car wreck like a drummer friend of mine did just this past Friday. There's a lot of things worse than not getting the call. Don't take yourself too seriously and learn to laugh a little and roll with the punches. I never was a Brad Paisley fan until this morning.

Jody Carver · From: KNIGHT OF FENDER TWEED

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chas smith R.I.P. · From: Encino, CA, USA

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Every time you play a gig and every time you play on a
recording, you never know who might be listening.

I got a call from a tv composer a while back who was looking for something different, steel guitar that sounded like steel guitar, but without the signature licks. When we were done recording he said, it's up to the producer now, either he's going to like it or he isn't. (he didn't). I asked him how he got my name and he said he had gone to a performance I had done with my ensemble at The Anti-Club in 1985. I asked what had he been doing since then and the reply was that he had graduated from high school, then went to college and then became a composer.

Tom Diemer · From: Defiance, Ohio USA

I always thought it was more about marketing, than slighting or favoring anyone. I mean, with all due to respect to all the incredible musicians in this thread, there are some of you, I've not heard of before comming to the forum. Names like Paul, Bruce, Buddy, (and others) we all know and some of us idolise.(sp?) I'm talking about consumers. The people the recordings are marketed to. ( I don't see anyone disagreeing that making records in the big leagues is about making money )

I may well be wrong, having no experience whatsoever in the big leagues of recording, but if you were producing a record, wouldn't you want names on the band list that can add sales value to the recording? In another thread, I read where some people said they would buy anything Buddy Emmons recorded. As would I. As would anyone who loves steel playing, the best it can be played. So may of you could take my breath away, with your playing. But who's name(s) would sell the most recordings?

More so with less known artists. Mr Average Consumer would think "I dont know who this is, but if Paul and Brent played on it, it must be good".

Many consumers will buy something that Brent, Paul, Buddy, Bruce (add names to this) played on. Their names being on the labels sell records. Don't they?

Case in point:
I bought Bruce's steel instuction video, because I loved his playing in the past, and knew his would be a good product for me to learn from. I was not disappointed. Do others make great instruction video's? Of course. But at the time I didn't know who they were.

One other point. I would think a producer would want to know what a musician can do, not guess at it. I don't mean just musically either. There are plenty of recordings with the well known studio musicians on them. But those not so known would perhaps be more of a risk to the record producer, even if they could play as well as the big names. Without extra work checking them out, they wouldn't know that. Right? And once you have worked with say, Paul, Brent, Buddy, Bruce, you know them, know their work ethic, and what to expect from them.

I know from personal experience, that just because someone is talented, doesn't mean you can work with them. (not aiming this at anyone on this thread.) Being as making records is as much about making money, as music, why would a producer take that risk on someone he doesn't have experience with, when he can get someone he knows can make the product he wants to sell?

Put these two together, and maybe thats why the calls don't come?

Tom (who probably doesn't have a clue how it works)

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