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Topic: US Legalizes SPAM on Jan 1 |
Joey Ace
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Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 7:38 am |
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There are so many posts here about SPAM that I thought this story would be of interest.
This might be "Off Topic", Mark can close it if he feels that way. |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 7:56 am
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The Spam King.
Be sure to read the last paragraph to see the future of Spam. |
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Mark Ardito
From:
Chicago, IL, USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 8:12 am
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Joey,
I think this is a great topic! I do see some good for this CAN-SPAM law. It now makes all spammers send email from their own IP address and host. I remember the day when I got the phone call a couple of years ago from my ISP at work telling me that my Exchange mail server has been sending out 10,000 spam messages per hour! I nearly had a heart attack! I finally figured out how to patch it and stop the hackers from stealing my mail server.
This new law makes sure that spammers can't steal other peoples mail servers or IP addresses. This makes it easy on my side to block spam. As long as I know the mail server it is coming from, I can block ALL from that server. The problem with spam now is you never know where it is coming from!
Anyone else have any thoughts on this spam issue? It is a HUGE problem with the internet. I know I have mentioned this before, but the president of the company I work for thinks I am a moron because I can't stop the "adult" spam from coming into mail server! That really makes me mad. I have tried everything and I still haven't found the product that stops ALL of it. I can block most of it, but there always is that one that gets by and manages to get into the CEO's inbox.
Mark
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Steinar Gregertsen
From:
Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 8:56 am
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Check the Cloudmark Spamnet: http://www.cloudmark.com/products/spamnet/
I go to know about this from ZoneLab, which makes the ZoneAlarm firewall I use.
The way this works is that there's a 'community' (currently 750.000 users worldwide) that reports spams and prevents them from accessing any of the members.
So 'registered' spams go right to a 'spam' folder in Outlook, and if a undetected spam should get through to me I can block it and it will automatically be blocked for all other users of 'Spamnet'. Of course, if I or anyone else accidentally blocks a sender that isn't spamming, it can be 'unblocked'.
I've used this for three weeks or so, and so far I'm quite happy with it.
Steinar
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www.gregertsen.com
[This message was edited by Steinar Gregertsen on 12 December 2003 at 08:57 AM.] |
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 9:42 am
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The problem with "blocking" is that most of the spammers "scan" and use the addresses that send you legitimate e-mail. The only sure way to stop it is to block e-mails from everyone! ....and that is not an acceptable solution!
I hope that the new government statute will have the means to eliminate unwanted spam!
www.genejones.com |
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Steinar Gregertsen
From:
Arendal, Norway, R.I.P.
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 10:02 am
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Gene,- I'm curious here;
How can the spammers scan my PC when I have a strong, high quality firewall that blocks all oustide attacks on my PC, and I also delete all spam mail without opening them?
I didn't think that was possible?
Steinar
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www.gregertsen.com
[This message was edited by Steinar Gregertsen on 12 December 2003 at 10:03 AM.] |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 10:21 am
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A fix could be engineered: Your incoming email server could be configured to give you only those messages for which the sender has paid some (small) amount of money into your account. As an option, you could waive the charge after you open the email, when you see that it is legitimate, but this option might be too easy for spammers to crack. It would work without the waive feature, because your friends would be willing to pay $0.10 per email, but spammers would not.
A telephone company could offer something similar for voice calls. All your incoming calls could be toll calls by default, paid by the caller, and received by the callee (and possibly the phone company too). You could conceivably override the toll after you learn who has called, but again this might be too easy for the mass marketers to crack. |
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Joey Ace
From:
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 11:48 am
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Steinar,
Spamnet and similar programs use lists to identify spammers. These lists will be illegal according to the new US law. If the lists can not be kept the anti-spam programs will not work.
From my first link:
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| " spammers are claiming that CAN-SPAM not only allows them to spam legally but that it protects them further by also making it illegal for anti-spam systems to block their spam." |
Is is a direct conflict with European law, and even California's new anti-spam law.
Of course US federal law will overrule California's, but not Europe's.
Interesting times are ahead. |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 1:49 pm
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| the plot sickens |
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HowardR
From:
N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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Posted 12 Dec 2003 4:25 pm
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| there always is that one that gets by and manages to get into the CEO's inbox. |
Yes, it's always the one he signed up for...  |
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