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Topic: Anyone try out the new Macintosh OS yet? |
Mark Ardito
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Posted 20 Oct 2002 1:16 pm |
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OK, anyone tryout this new Mac OS 10.2 Jaguar thing yet. I have NEVER liked Macintosh computers, but I have heard rave reviews from my fellow IT buddies. I must admit, the actual Mac boxes are really cool looking and have you seen the Harmon Kardon speakers they make that goes with the iMac's? SUPER COOL...click here. Just curious to see if any forumites have tried this OS out. I am kind of thinking of test driving a Mac for a little and see how it is.
Mark
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[This message was edited by Mark Ardito on 20 October 2002 at 02:18 PM.] |
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Jeff Agnew
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Posted 20 Oct 2002 4:52 pm
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| anyone tryout this new Mac OS 10.2 Jaguar thing yet. I have NEVER liked Macintosh computers |
Yes. In a nutshell, it's BSD UNIX with a Mac interface on top. The UNIX core is why the IT folks love it. Rock-solid stable with all the usual UNIX advantages. Geeks who love to tinker can use the terminal window and be deep into command-line UNIX. Those who don't can use the elegance of the Mac interface. The underpinnings are the same either way.
Tell me what you haven't liked about Mac OS and perhaps I can tell you whether you'll like Jaguar.[This message was edited by Jeff Agnew on 20 October 2002 at 05:53 PM.] |
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Mark Ardito
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Chicago, IL, USA
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Posted 20 Oct 2002 5:10 pm
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OK, I might be opening up WWIII here but I hate the one button mice. I need a right-click. Now I understand that it is now available with OS X. I also have never liked the "trash can" concept. I have also never understood that uninstall concept they had. Just drag it into the trash can. I don't like that. And also, why does the Mac interface need to look like Fisher Price. I just don't like the look or the lack of control with the Mac's.
I have however, heard great things with Jaguar and I might have to give it a test spin.
Mark
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 20 Oct 2002 10:24 pm
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| The single button mouse has always been part of Apple's design philosophy. I always thought it was a big mistake. |
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Jeff Agnew
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Dallas, TX
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Posted 21 Oct 2002 4:27 am
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| I hate the one button mice. I need a right-click. |
Two-button mice have always been available from third-party suppliers like Logitech and MS, among others. And since OSX is UNIX, the built-in support is now for three buttons.
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| I also have never liked the "trash can" concept. |
Not sure what you mean here since this is the same functionality MS implemented with the "recycle bin". You can always rename it, I suppose.
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| I have also never understood that uninstall concept they had. |
In its earliest days, Macs simply had no need for an uninstaller because an application didn't scatter files throughout the hard drive. No registry, no DLLs, no hidden files. Everything resided in one folder, which made deleting an application a one-step procedure.
Unfortunately, Macs became enamored of system bloat just like Windows. Later versions of applications added preference files and plug-ins which resided outside the app's folder. But at most there have only two other locations a component might reside: the System and Preferences folders.
Uninstalling on OSX, being UNIX, is more like Windows in that there are multiple locations where a file might be stashed. Most OSX apps, though, ship with an uninstaller. And although OSX doesn't support RPM, you can always uninstall from the UNIX command line if you prefer ultimate control.
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| why does the Mac interface need to look like Fisher Price |
That's a bit surprising since most folks consider OSX's "Aqua" interface to be quite elegant. To each his own, I suppose. Personally, I can't think of a more cartoonish interface than XP but that's just me. Fortunately, I can revert to the 9x look.
Unfortunately, OSX took a massive step backwards in customization, no longer allowing the complete interface design mods available in Systems 7-9. Third-party tools used to allow a user to change virtually every element in the interface, including window shapes, menus, and borders. This customization went away with OSX and lots of Mac folks are unhappy.
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| I just don't like the look or the lack of control with the Mac's. |
Certainly understandable. Some like the look, others don't. But it's a common misconception that using a Mac equates to lack of control. With one exception (no longer applicable), you have the same types of control on a Mac as you do on a PC. There are just different methods to achieve the same results (like Control-click to display a context menu instead of right-click).
The one thing Macs always lacked was a command line interface to allow batch processes. (This functionality was actually available through AppleScript but most folks didn't bother to learn it.) Now with OSX, the command line is available through the UNIX terminal window for those who love to type.
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| I might be opening up WWIII here |
Hopefully not. The endless Mac/PC debates are tiresome and useless. I'm just to trying to provide objective answers for those folks who haven't used one of the other platforms.
I think any time a long-term user switches to a new OS they become irritated because things no longer work "the way they're supposed to." But, of course, there is no "correct" way - just different. Once you spend enough time with an OS you learn to work around its deficiencies, but it takes time. And every OS ever designed has deficiencies.
A cursory trial with Jaguar will likely not change your opinion of Macs. But if you spent some serious time with it, I think you might be surprised. The fact it is converting a lot of die-hard UNIX zealots is testament to its capabilities. |
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Mark Ardito
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Chicago, IL, USA
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Posted 21 Oct 2002 6:45 am
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Jeff,
I know, Win XP does look like a Mac interface. I think they were trying to get it to look like that. I personally like the look of Win 2K. It is very plain and nothing else going on. You can call me boring, I like a plain blue background and a black screen for my screen saver.
My wife works with Mac's in a creative industry. She always makes the argument that creative people use Mac's because the software. I keep telling her that is rediculous. I mean come on...what software company is going to limit their market share to Mac users? If they just do some more software development and write for both platforms they will make a lot more money. And that is what most companies do now. They just can't afford to be the strict Mac companies they used to be.
But, after many conversations with my Mac friendly friends, I think I am gonna get a Mac with the new OS and give it a try.
Mark
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Sho~Bud Pro I, Fender D-8 (C6&E13) http://www.darkmagneto.com
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Earnest Bovine
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Posted 21 Oct 2002 11:08 am
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| Two-button mice have always been available from third-party suppliers like Logitech and MS, among others. |
Useless, because Mac OS didn't use the other button.
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| And since OSX is UNIX, the built-in support is now for three buttons. |
Three is even better than two.
[This message was edited by Earnest Bovine on 21 October 2002 at 12:16 PM.] |
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Ron Page
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Penn Yan, NY USA
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Jeff Agnew
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Dallas, TX
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Posted 22 Oct 2002 8:11 am
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| Useless, because Mac OS didn't use the other button. |
Not useless, because the software provided with the mouse allows the user to assign other functions to the additional buttons. So one could assign the Control key, for example to the right button and create the same functionality as a Windows right-click to display the context menu.
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| Three is even better than two. |
The point being that it is a *UNIX* OS. Three-button mice are standard and some functions in the X-window system require a third button.[This message was edited by Jeff Agnew on 22 October 2002 at 09:28 AM.] |
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Brad Bechtel
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San Francisco, CA
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Posted 22 Oct 2002 8:38 am
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I love it. MacOS X 10.2 kicks ass, even on my old PowerBook G3/400.
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Greg Simmons
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where the buffalo (used to) roam AND the Mojave
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Posted 22 Oct 2002 10:10 am
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I guess you could say that the MacOS is to operating systems what the Anapeg is to steel guitars 
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Jerry Gleason
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Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2002 4:18 pm
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Regarding mouse buttons and macs, I've been using a Microsoft 5-button optical mouse on my macs for some time now. Not only does it do all the things it does on a pc, but all the buttons can be individually programmed to do a variety of functions, even different things for different applications. I can't get along without a scroll wheel anymore.
I'm still struggling with the transition to OSX, and I haven't tried the mouse yet on any of my machines at work that run OSX. I'm sure it's just a matter of downloading a new driver for it, if it's available from Microsoft. |
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Dave Krute
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Poolesville, Maryland, USA
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Posted 22 Oct 2002 4:30 pm
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| I'm running it on this computer. I'm also a loyal mac fan for many years now. they do cost more but IMHO well worth it for the hassles you DONT have to deal with..by the way I run a network of PCs for a living...PHEW |
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