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Topic: miking up a resonator |
Kevin Ruddell
From:
Toledo Ohio USA
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Posted 8 May 2006 5:02 pm |
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| Has anyone tried using one of the stick on magnetic pickups for acoustics by DiMarzio or Shadow on thir resonator guitar ? At the moment I'm miking my Dobro with a Shure Beta condenser mike pointed at the soundhole , not the pie plate , and using a XLR lo- to - hi 1/4 inch jack adaptor to play through a guitar amp. It sounds pretty good but I was thinking about using a pickup , and the mike into 2 small amps. I can't afford the Feather spider pup and not sure I want to go that route anyhow. I guess Elderly Instruments no longer carrys the Lace Sensor pickup for squarenecks |
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Michael Hartz
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Decorah, Iowa, USA
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Posted 8 May 2006 8:17 pm
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| In my opinion, stick with the mic. I tried a McEntyre feather pickup and a Fishman Reso pickup on my Wechter/Scheerhorn. I couldn't get the volume loud enough without feedback. I even tried adding a Baggs paracoustic preamp with no luck. I finally gave up, sold the dobro, and will try and find a Matchbro for my steel instead. |
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Dennis Wood
From:
Savannah, TN USA
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Posted 9 May 2006 4:51 am
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| I agree, feedback is a big problem. When I play dobro on sgage I perfer to mic it up. I have a Fishman active pickup in my dobro and have also tried external pre-amps/eq's. Its pretty simple to just mic it. |
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Bryan Knox
From:
Gardendale, Alabama...Ya'll come
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Posted 9 May 2006 11:52 am
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A buddy of mine mics his Harlow with a lapel mike and it works very nicely.
He pops out one of the port screens and puts the lapel mic in the hole amd we adjust the mixing board accordingly. |
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Michael Brebes
From:
Northridge CA
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Posted 9 May 2006 12:10 pm
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| I've had pretty good luck with my McIntyre pickup that's before the Feather. The best sounding is using a mic, with my preference being the Audio Technica ATM35, which is a small condensor with a mini gooseneck. Clamps right on the reso cover and stays right where you want it. |
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Bryan Bradfield
From:
Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada.
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Posted 9 May 2006 6:23 pm
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Every dobroist wants pure acoustic tone in an amplified atmosphere. But when I'm playing with loud instruments - pedal steel, solid body guitar, drums, I use a Barcus-Berry humbucker stuck on the top of the instrument right against the end of the fingerboard. This is best with nickel strings. It sounds like a lap steel, not a dobro. It's either that, or put up with feed-back, or sit this one out.
When playing with acoustic musicians who are using acoustic-type pickups, I use a round piezo disc that's been epoxied to the bottom of one of the spider legs. I run this through a Fishman Pro-EQ preamp, and get a "reasonable" acoustic sound. Same guitar; same nickel strings.
When playing with acoustic musicians who are not plugging in, but are going through something like a Shure SM57, I'll use a similar mic.
My current performing preference is everyone huddling around a big condensor mic.
Bottom line - do what is appropriate in the situation. Try to be similarly set-up as everyone else. In my opinion, a purist who is fighting feed-back (or creating feed-back, depending on your view-point) is not totally welcome on the stage. I say - join the crowd.
[This message was edited by Bryan Bradfield on 09 May 2006 at 07:24 PM.] |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 9 May 2006 6:51 pm
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| Or get one of the Fluger standup RGS dobros. No feedback at all and sounds very close to a real dobro. Dierks Bentley, Gary Morse, and two in the Tim McGraw band. I have one. Very realistic dobro sound. www.flugerguitars.com |
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Jim Bates
From:
Alvin, Texas, USA
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Posted 10 May 2006 4:58 pm
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For me, the AKG C 1000 S givesthe purest dobro / resophonic sound when played through the PA. Just do not stand close to the monitor speaker (I always turned down my monitor to avoid feedback). Also, the mike placed at the soundscreen holes will give a more 'boomy' bass and also tend to feedback more. Try the mike over the resonator cover about 5-6 inches diagonally
outward from hand rest and towards the tail of the guitar.
Thanx,
Jim |
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Ron Randall
From:
Dallas, Texas, USA
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Posted 10 May 2006 8:49 pm
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Yes, these are a real bear. The band has to cooperate some, also. But my band just keeps playing loud, I can't get any louder without feedback so I put it down, and go back to my PSG.
My experience with mics has been good for tone. The sound coming from the little grills is very heavy bass. The sound from near the back of the bridge is very tinkly. My best compromise is halfway between the treble side of the bridge and the treble side of the cone.
I have had luck reducing feedback with a notch filter (LR Baggs paraAcoustic preamp).
A peavey "feedback ferret" might do the trick.
I have never solved this problem with any degree of reliability.
Ever wonder why Jerry Douglass stands so far away from AK and US? |
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Jerry Tillman
From:
Florida
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Posted 11 May 2006 3:18 am
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| I would take a less technical approach to be heard above the band.Buy two 12 string steel guitar bars,one inch diameter,throw one at the lead guitar player and one at the drummer. lakeshrk |
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Jackie Anderson
From:
Scarborough, ME
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Posted 11 May 2006 9:44 am
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| Some time ago in a similar thread, Brad Sarno and others strongly recommended the Shure Beta 57A as a reso mic with good tone and minimal feedback, and mine has worked very well for me. I position it about where Ron described. [This message was edited by Jack Anderson on 11 May 2006 at 11:00 AM.] |
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c c johnson
From:
killeen,tx usa * R.I.P.
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Posted 12 May 2006 12:58 pm
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| I have been trying to locate a Technical ATM 35 gealer. No luck anyone know one. CC |
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c c johnson
From:
killeen,tx usa * R.I.P.
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Posted 13 May 2006 5:18 am
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| sorry for the poor typing above. I think all of you know what I am asking. CC |
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Kevin Ruddell
From:
Toledo Ohio USA
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Posted 13 May 2006 4:59 pm
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| Thanks for all your input everyone, it's helping the process. I wasn't sure if the gentleman posting that it sounds best with nickel strings meant that he was stringing his dobro with electric guitar strings, as opposed to Bronze acoustic guitar strings . I've been doing some experimenting and I found that my Shure 57 sounds best thrrough the tube guitar amp and the Shure condenser sounds best through the solid state power amp. I use a Tech 21 Acoustic Sansamp as a preamp with 800 HZ notched out to cut feedback or an ART Tube MP mike preamp with a Boss GE7 eq pedal to notch the same frequency out.Actually what sounds good is using a mike preamp into the effects return ( bypassing the combo's preamp ) of a small SWR LA 8 solid state bass combo. It's not loud but sounds good. I still might go with a magnetic pickup [This message was edited by Kevin Ruddell on 13 May 2006 at 07:23 PM.] |
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Gareth Carthew
From:
West Sussex, UK
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Posted 14 May 2006 1:08 pm
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ooh! That Lap steel RGS looks gorgeous!
That green lacquer finish that have pictured on the website would match my PSG wonderfully.
If I had the money to buy one I'd be tempted to remove the pad from my SD-10 and fix the RGS semi-permenantly to her.
The only thing that would stand out is the fancy white fretboard next the plain black dot-marker fretboard on my PSG.
Still. I can't afford one anyway. So it's all dreaming.
I'd be interested to hear one to see how it compares to my Dobro. |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 14 May 2006 6:04 pm
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| By the way. That green on the website is the EXACT LDG stain formula that Sho-Bud used. Marvin got it from AJ Nelson of Sho-Bud. [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 14 May 2006 at 07:04 PM.] [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 14 May 2006 at 07:05 PM.] |
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