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J Hill
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Colorado, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2006 7:29 am |
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Good Morning,
I have one objective question and one subjective one.
Objective - how are these speakers different...the JBL E130 4 OH speaker and the other JBL models.
Subjective - do you like the sound coming from the Eclipse or JBL speaker better?
Thanks!
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Brad Sarno
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St. Louis, MO USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2006 9:20 am
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Leila, the E130 or E series JBL's use a very heavy ceramic magnet. These are very high power handling JBL's. You see these quite a bit in the Webb amps. The more commonly favored JBL's are the D and K series models like the D130 or K130. They use a lighter Alnico magnet that many consider to be the very best sounding magnet. These Alnico speakers do not have the power handling capacity of the ceramic E series, but I'd say 9 out of 10 people will prefer the tone of the Alnico magnets. The D130 has the lowest power handling ability. The K130 is a bit more rugged. The E130 is quite hard to blow, but also quite hard to lug around.
I haven't heard many people raving about the Eclipse speakers, and it seems that quite often people upgrade them to a Black Widow or JBL. I have no personal experience with the Eclipse though.
Short answer, the K130 in my opinion seems to be the best option that balances power handling with good tone.
Also consider the Peavey Black Widow. It's quite popular as a steel speaker.
I hope that's helpful.
Brad |
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J Hill
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2006 9:47 am
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Brad,
Your information is very helpful! When you say its a heavy Amp, do you mean something like 100 pounds or something like 65 lbs? Thank you for your comprehensive answer.
[This message was edited by Leila Tuttle on 12 January 2006 at 09:48 AM.] |
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 12 Jan 2006 10:20 am
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Brad has just about nailed the entire issue in one short post, to which I will only add that the BW speakers - as well as the JBL E130 - have a slightly wider gap than the older JBL alnico magnets. While this reduces sensitivity a bit this gives the voice coil more room to bang around in and greatly reduces the heating issues at high power - at 200 watts this is a big deal, at 60 watts it matters not a whit.
To answer your second question, Leila, the E130 is about nine pounds heavier than the D130F and K130. The prime trade-off is that at 200 watts the heavier E130 will last for years and the lighter D130 will last for hours.
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 12 Jan 2006 7:09 pm
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Many years ago, I read the following...
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| Five watts of audio fed into an efficient speaker system is more that the human ear can stand. |
It's plain the writer wasn't a bass player! 
Playing tone is a most important consideration when choosing a speaker. Bass notes and bassy tones (think: Chalker, C6th) take a lot of power, and they're very hard on a speaker. The cone, suspension ring, voice coil, and spider get quite a workout! High frequencies are another matter entirely. They take very little power to produce staggering amounts of loudness, and the speaker's components don't have to move big distances, or handle much wattage. So, for someone who plays with a tone like Ralph Mooney, a 75 watt rated D130-F might be all they ever need. On the other hand, someone who plays with tone and dynamics like Curly Chalker needs a big amp, and a powerful speaker (like a B/W or EVM), that can handle 250 watts.
So, you see Leila, asking what speaker's good for your amp is a lot like asking "What engine's good for a truck?" It depends on the load you're carrying!  If you don't take your tone into consideration (experts call that the "programming material"), you may be buying too much, or too little speaker.
To me, JBL's have a nice tone, but they lack efficiency and power-handling capability. With my playing style, I'd rather have something like a B/W, that I didn't have to worry about blowing every time I pushed it! The best tone in the world is useless if it quits me in the first set. |
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J Hill
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 12 Jan 2006 8:26 pm
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Dave,
Thanks for the weight...9 lbs I can handle, but who's going to carry the rest  I'm glad to know its a hardy amp!
Donny, Tone is the only thing I care about, although its good to know it'll hold up over time. I don't play 'out' like you guys do, I don't need anything that'll let me play REALLY loud. But my ears are good. Ever since I heard my teacher's Evans Amp I was determined to have one. Hafta make my ears happy. Thanks fellas!
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 13 Jan 2006 5:01 am
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Leila, if you're just a home player, then any speaker that sounds good to you is fine. But, when you're playing in a club that seats several hundred people, and you're not miking the amps, you need to know your speaker's not going to let you down. Getting a D130 reconed gets to be very old after a while...especially at $90 a pop.  |
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Mike Brown
From:
Meridian, Mississippi USA
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Posted 13 Jan 2006 6:13 am
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Leila, the Peavey Black Widow has a replacable basket that takes about 10 minutes to replace if necessary. Actually, I have been using Black Widow speakers since their inception in 1978 and have only had one to fail. The advantage of the replacement basket technology is that the "rb" is approximately half the price of a complete speaker and is probably much more inexpensive than having a speaker reconed.
Check it out here;
http://www.peavey.com/products/browse.cfm/action/drill/cat/229/Sound+Reinforcement+Speakers.cfm
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me here at Peavey by calling 1-877-732-8391, ext.1180 and I will be glad to assist. This is proven technology since 1978. I wonder why other manufacturers have not followed suit? Is it money? Just a thought.
Mike Brown
Peavey Electronics Corporation |
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Ray Rasmussen
From:
Santa Rosa, CA,
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Posted 13 Jan 2006 4:09 pm
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| I have a JBL E130 in my Fender Custom Vibrasonic and it sounds good to me. |
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