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Topic: Gabby's Yellow Roses Tuning? |
Steve Pierce
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San Rafael, California, USA
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Posted 15 Sep 2004 8:56 pm |
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Hey dudes,
I've been trying to tab out this tune lately, but I'm wondering if anyone has beat me to it?
I can do just about the whole thing note for note in A6 (low to high F#-A-C#-E-F#-A-C#-E), but there's some stuff in there that I can't make fit without fudging it.
There's a quiet moment in the intro where he strums out a fat chord (just before he starts the pick-up lick) that doesn't seem to come from a standard 6th tuning.
Anyone know?
It's certainly workable in A6, but I've become obsessed with getting it right.
Much Thanks!
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Jeff Au Hoy
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Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 12:19 am
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Last edited by Jeff Au Hoy on 13 Sep 2019 3:01 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 5:47 am
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| I remember working it out one time, and if memory serves, it was an E13 tuning. If you slow down the strum in the intro, I believe you hear a 7 note G13 arpeggio right before he starts to play the melody. The first chords of the tune (A7 to D9 to G13)incorporate an open E string, (except for the G13). I wish I could remember more, but I'm away from home right now without a geetar and it has been quite a while since I've heard the tune. Unfortunately, I'm not into tabbing. |
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Gerald Ross
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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 6:10 am
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I've played this tune with Bobby Ingano many times and he uses his version of C6 (high G on top). Bobby's version is pretty much Gabby's version (except with that Bobby Ingano touch thrown in).
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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
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seldomfed
From:
Colorado
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 10:38 am
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When I was trying to learn Gabby's "Chloe" I was almost sure it was the C13 tuning Jeff described. It used the same intervals, but was tuned down to B (or Bb since it's an old big band tune) on the recording - can't remember correctly. Anyway, some things revealed themselves regarding open string usage that I could not for the life of me figure out in C13. I learned it off the record, but then transposed back to fit C13. Perhaps pitch shifting the recording a step or two one way or 'thutha till you find it will help.
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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon"
www.book-em-danno.com
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Bill Leff
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Santa Cruz, CA, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 10:43 am
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| I just had a similar experience to Chris's last night as I was trying to play with the song "My Sweet Sweet" from the Maile Serenader's album, but in that case, C6 was tuned up to D6 (open strings revealed this). I think Gabby was also playing the steel on this recording. |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 10:56 am
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| That sounds about right, because there is a low G note in that last chord before the melody begins, and the chord is barred. Just pick out the notes in the last chord , and I think you'll have it figured out. |
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Jeff Strouse
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Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 11:14 am
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| I use A6 with a "G" on the bottom rather than an F#. This gives it the "13" feel... |
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Roy Thomson
From:
Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 12:20 pm
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Anyone got an MP3 to send me of Gabby's "Yellow Roses"?
This discussion has got me interested.
I would like to hear it.
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Steve Pierce
From:
San Rafael, California, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 12:25 pm
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Thanks guys.
I'll tinker with some of those other tunings tonight.
Mike, I know that 7 note arpeggio before the melody starts. That's how I knew it wasn't a regular 6th tuning. I haven't tried it in E13 yet.
The tune seems to be in B. Eventually I think I'll bump it up to C.
By the way, this forum's pretty cool.
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 1:50 pm
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With major respect to Gabby Pahinui, I present Yellow Roses. This was really the first steel playing I heard that made me prick up my ears and want to learn.
Give it a crack--"Find the Tuning".
I'm going with E-C#-B-G#-E-D-B-(G#?) High to low, possibly tuned down a half step. So I guess that's E13 (or Eb13).
The final arpeggio before the melody begins contains the notes:
C#-E-F#-A#-C#-D#-F#[This message was edited by Mike Neer on 16 September 2004 at 05:32 PM.] |
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Steve Pierce
From:
San Rafael, California, USA
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 4:50 pm
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Mike, I'm glad you're as obsessed with this as I am. This was the tune that got me into playing Hawaiian guitar too. I thought it was Ry Cooder working the magic bar, but then you guys on the forum set me straight.
I think it could be the C13 layout, but I agree with Seldomfed that it might be B13 (the recording I'm working with is off of a record, so that may be the difference). On the first bar (after the intro) he seems to settle on a B major chord voiced 3-5-1, which would force you to play it at the 11th fret in C13 (and it would sound an octave too high). I'm interested to see if any of our compadres can help us out.
I know I've asked this before, but what are some Gabby albums where he's playing steel.
Thanks!
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 16 Sep 2004 5:28 pm
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Yeah, it lays out nicely in C13 or B13. Much as I try to reject the C tunings, there's much in there. 
Guess that's the geetarist in me. |
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seldomfed
From:
Colorado
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Posted 17 Sep 2004 10:53 am
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Hey Steve dude , et. Al. dudes ,
yes this forum (specifically No Peddlers) is really a gem.
It's like the virtual equivalent of the "Hawaiian Room" at Scotty's. Laid back, friendly, helpful, accepting, sharing, ... a calm place in the midst of it all
the other 'rooms' here at the SGF are valuable communities of interest too - but the 'noise' level is a bit higher - you know?.
mahalo for all the help youse guys!
chris (aka seldomfed)
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Chris Kennison
Ft. Collins, Colorado
"There is no spoon"
www.book-em-danno.com
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Denny Turner
From:
Oahu, Hawaii USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2004 1:42 pm
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THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU !
And did I say THANK YOU !
19 years ago at a party ...6 years before I started studying Hawaiian Steel Guitar, ...I heard Cooder's / Gabby's version of Hank Snow's Yellow Roses (by Ken Devine / Sam Nichols). But being in a "distant frame of mind" at the party, I was not so sure the next day of what I heard nor if I actually heard what I thought I did, and I could not remember who originally recorded what I thought I heard; (The mind can play tricks while sitting on a moon-lit beach in Hawaii listening to music in the background in certain states of mind!). ------- As luck would have it, several months later a fellow tour pilot gave me an unmarked Hawaiian Music compilation cassette he made, to play over our airplane PA systems via cassette decks we had rigged into our PA's for ambience ...which also bumped our $$$ tips if we gave a good tear-jerker during the Pearl Harbor monologue at the end of the day as we flew over Pearl Harbor on our approach to Honolulu International for landing. Much to my joy, ...Yellow Roses by Cooder / Pahinui played on that tape during the day; So I knew that version did indeed exist and was indeed every bit as moving as I had remembered from the party, but I still didn't know by whom. The old twin-round-engines Beech airplanes we were flying would often become confused about which generator should be providing power when we pulled the throttles back for landing and would cycle between the 2 engines' generators ....which as luck would NOT have it that day, ...the generator cycling caused the tape deck to eat that tape beyond recovery; So I again still had no clue who recorded that version. My Friend had no clue what songs he had put on the tape and didn't have another copy of the tape. SHOOTZ. Not having internet back then I was not able to find anything more about the song in my casual searching with hardly any information to go on. As time passed my search faded by the wayside and I never encountered the song again.
Now here it pops up on the SGF with even an MP3 ! What a fantastic recording ! What a great forum this is ! What a great day this will be !
LYRICS:
(Intro - entire verse instrumental)
I just received, sweetheart, your yellow roses
You tell me that they mean that we are through
You tell me that tonight your heart is broken
But you should know I was never untrue
(Bridge)
I'll place that in my photograph and when the shadows fall
They'll hide from you my lonely tears that shouldn't fall at all
Then they will slowly fade away and die
But I still love you though yellow roses say goodbye
(Repeat Bridge)
(Tag instrumental of last chorus line)
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THANK YOU,
Aloha,
Denny T~
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Bill Leff
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Santa Cruz, CA, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2004 4:53 pm
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Steve:
You asked about other albums where Gabby played steel. Check out the Maile Serenaders' CDs, "Hawaii's Favorite Slack Key and Steel Guitar Favorites", volumes 1 and 2.
Aloha.
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Ron Whitfield
From:
Kaaawa, Hawaii, USA
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Posted 18 Sep 2004 5:56 pm
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The steel was Gabby's first instrument.
He passed away at only 59 in '80, leaving an incredible legacy, a lot of people missing him, and epitomizing what Hawaiian music and style is about.
Heaven coulda waited... |
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Bill Leff
From:
Santa Cruz, CA, USA
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Posted 19 Sep 2004 4:35 pm
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A fellow Forumite pointed out that Gabby played steel only on Volume II of "Hawaii's Favorite
Slack Key and Steel" . Feet Rogers played steel on Volume 1.
Both are great! |
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Bill Creller
From:
Saginaw, Michigan, USA (deceased)
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Posted 21 Sep 2004 12:42 am
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Yellow Roses was a Hank Snow tune in 1952, and I played it many times at the Officer's Clubs in Germany. I beleive Kayton was the steel man but I don't remember.
Bill |
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