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Topic: Strings 6,7&8 noise? |
David Farlow
From:
Nevada
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Posted 19 Dec 2003 1:32 pm |
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I have a keyless U12 GFI that I cannot get rid of a strange tinny ringing sound coming out of the amp on strings 6,7 and 8. I have changed strings, repositioned the keyless tuners,no apparent wear on parts(PSG is only about 2 years old), tried different bar positions and pressures etc. and cannot get rid of the noise on these strings. The guitar has a Wallace pickup in it and I was wondering if they can go bad and give this type of noise on just certain strings. Appreciate any information and help on this.
Thanks,
David
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David Farlow
From:
Nevada
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Posted 28 Dec 2003 5:59 pm
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^Bump
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Jerry Roller
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Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 28 Dec 2003 6:01 pm
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No, it is not going to be the pickup.
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David Deratany
From:
Cape Cod Massachusetts
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 4:36 am
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It sounds like something may be loose underneath and may be vibrating. If it were a resonance it wouldn't likely be occuring over such a wide range.
I'd look at the changer first, the return springs, screws. |
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Roger Andrusky
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Waterford, PA, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 10:01 am
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| Is the noise being amplified by the amp through the pick-up? If it makes the noise without the amp connected and is not amplified when it is connected, then it is possible there is an unused bushing, pin or nut resonating underneath. When I had a similar problem with my MSA it was suggested that I put a towel underneath the guitar and strike the pesky strings then move the towel and do it again. That will help narrow down the source. Let us know what you find. --- Roger |
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John Floyd
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R.I.P.
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 10:04 am
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Have You tried another amp?
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 1:09 pm
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David do these strings have a buzz to them when picked without amplification and no bar???
If so..>drop a bead of 3 and 1 oil right on top of the roller for that string.
Also from your description of the sound your getting...I'm thinking maybe that tinny sound migth be overtones from the other side of the rollers> so between the rollers and the keyless sliders.....>so if your able to get those sliders closer to the roller; that might eliminate it.
So they make this sound when picked with No Bar?? If they don't ..than it also may be the height of the rollers....another thing to look at.
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David Farlow
From:
Nevada
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 1:53 pm
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Thanks to all who have responded to this. I have looked into what I know and from your suggestions. Have not been able to find anything loose or worn so far. The amp has checked out ok also. Ricky, this keyless does not have any rollers, just a bar that the strings go over to the keyless tuners. But what you are saying sounds a lot like what I'm hearing. I'm not sure how far the the strings are to be from the bar once they are secured to the keyless tuners with the screws. The first time I have had a keyless so I have little experience in this. Again, thanks for the suggestions and I will keep trying to get this worked out.
David
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C Dixon
From:
Duluth, GA USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 2:11 pm
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David,
Dose this happen on those strings all the way up and down the neck? Or is it confined to the lower frets?
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David Farlow
From:
Nevada
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 2:32 pm
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Carl, the noise happens up and down all of the neck, it does not matter if you are using the bar or not. There is probably some simply reason for this but it sure has me puzzled. Thanks.
David
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 3:44 pm
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David; is this the same Steel I looked at when I was at your House??? If so; than yes I remember the solid bar as opposed to rollers....ha....remembering me saying that I thought that was strange??
So here's what we know. Pretty much only the middle strings are doing this..?? Well 6;7; and 8 are kinda towards the middle....and I find that curious and makes me think about downward pressure on that bar somehow isnt' hackin it in the middle. I'm guessing those particular sliders are further away from the bar than the others??? If so....I would certainly submit that it IS the overtones of those strings not being stable on the bar/nut thingy.....>
If you can unwrap those strings....and move the slider closer if not right up against the bar/nut...and re-wrap and tune....>this might do it pal.....
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David Farlow
From:
Nevada
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 4:19 pm
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Hey Ricky, this is the same PSG that you took a look at for me several months ago. I will try what you suggest and see what happens. Hopefully I won't ruin the strings in the process but they are cheap enough to replace is they are not reusable, just need to order some Jags from the Forum. Let you know the results as soon as I can get to this. Thanks again.
David
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Jerry Roller
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Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 9:50 pm
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David, I suggest that you remove strings 5, 9 and 10 from the guitar, then loosen strings 6, 7, and 8 enough that you can hook string 6 onto #5 changer finger, string 7 onto #9 finger and string 8 onto #10 finger and tune them to pitch and see if they still make the noise you speak of. If not, chances are the changer shaft needs a good oiling which might necessitate removing the fingers from the shaft. There can sometimes become a vibration between the changer rollers and the shaft setting up a noise. Or it could indicate grooves in the changer rollers which is unlikely on the larger strings. If it still makes the noise, I would continue to look for some loose parts
or some other problem.
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David Farlow
From:
Nevada
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 9:33 am
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Happy New Year to everyone! Wanted to let those who have sent replies to help me with this where things stand. I have ordered new strings for the guitar and will work on the possible overtone problem at the keyless tuner as Ricky has suggested. Also, while the strings are off I took the changer apart to check for wear which looked and felt very minimal. Cleaned it and relubed the parts as Jerry suggested so will have to see about that when the strings come in. Of course, now I have to put the guts back into the guitar also and get everything adjusted correctly. So it may be a few days before I can tell if the problem has been taken care of. Thanks again to all who have offered suggestions on solving this problem.
David
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 1 Jan 2004 11:34 am
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David Farlow
From:
Nevada
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Posted 14 Jan 2004 7:14 pm
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Got the PSG all put together now and the pulls adjusted and tuned. When I first put it back together the guitar still had the noise as before only worse! Really had me scratching my head. But then, for some reason, I double checked the tuning with a pitch fork I have and the PSG was a few steps too low. Embarrassingly I have to admit that bringing all the strings up to the proper pitch has solved the noise problem I was having. Hopefully I can invest in a chromatic tuner in the not too distant future. It has certainly been a learning lesson since getting back into PSG and trying a U12. Thanks again for those of you who offered your help.
David
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 14 Jan 2004 7:30 pm
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