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Damir Besic
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 6:20 pm |
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guys I tried this thing in just opened Guitar Center in Nashville and this creature sounds awesome.I tried it playing a Fender acoustic and it rocks.Does anyone has any experience playing steel through this tone monster?I would imagine it would sound great.
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Harley Morris
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Riverside, California, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 7:37 pm
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| Damir: What does something like this cost??HM |
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Harley Morris
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Riverside, California, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 7:40 pm
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| Damir: It kinda looks like one of them T-Ball Tees, and a toaster, eh??? Probably sounds better tho... HM |
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Jerry Erickson
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Atlanta,IL 61723
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Posted 23 Dec 2003 7:59 pm
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| If I remember correctly the price is supposed to be in the $1500-1800 range. Paul Lehrman wrote an article about them in Mix magazine a month or so ago. |
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 8:00 am
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the system is $1699 and with a woofer (around $200) and tax all together comes out to around $2100.But I`m telling you guys,it may look weird but this thing sounds great.It is 130 W and in a pair you can work crowds to 500 people,so it works as a little PA also.It is actualy called personal monitor system.It has two chanels so you can run two separate instruments with two different EQ setings and comes with a remote control so you don`t even have to turn around to mess with it (like amps).I think I`ll get me one of these soon.
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Jim Smith
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Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 8:12 am
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I guess it would take up less room on stage at Tootsies!    |
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Tim Whitlock
From:
Colorado, USA
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Damir Besic
From:
Nashville,TN.
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 3:55 pm
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| Thanks a lot Tim,that is what I was looking for.And yes Jim,I`m sure this would sound killer in Tootsies and other clubs like that.I wonder how would steel sound if Bose would be used as an amp,going from the steel into an effect unit and from there directly into the Bose,used insted of an amp?I think I realy like the idea and I know I love the way that thing sounds,Clean and warm but still clear and without and muddy lows.And it is true what Mark said,I took the guitar all the way on the speaker and no feedback at all.Great. |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 4:01 pm
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For steel, you'd want a pair of them (for stereo effects) with the bass modules. That would cost $4,000!! 
I don't think I'll be getting mine any time soon.
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jim milewski
From:
stowe, vermont
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 5:15 pm
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| thought it was the new model for the twin towers [This message was edited by jim milewski on 24 December 2003 at 05:16 PM.] |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 7:28 pm
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| I saw a home stereo system today with this type of speakers. The "tubular woofers" had impressive lows for their size, but rapidly became muddy-sounding when the volume was pushed. In all fairness, they were not the same speakers pictured here, but they were the same type of design. Based on what I experienced, I'd have to say they would be suitable only for very small venues. |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 8:30 pm
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I have a Bose surround sound system for my TV, and it sounds great at living room volumes. I tried pushing it once and, when you reach the volume of a live band, it sounds like little boxes on the wall (which is, after all, exactly what it is).
I have a hard time imagining that a Bose system would get reasonable steel guitar sounds without an appropriate preamp, at least. We all know how lifeless the "direct" sound is, and we know that our amplifiers color the sound of the instrument quite a bit to get the tones we like.
Plus... most of us are addicted to effects, even if it's just a touch of reverb or echo. So we're probably talking about a small rack, minimum, in front of this thing to get a sound that we'll be happy with.
Let's see. Rack + base unit + speaker tower + woofer = 4 pieces of equipment to do what any combo amp with reverb will do. I guess if you have money to burn, and a roadie to set it all up...
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Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6),
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Damir Besic
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Nashville,TN.
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Posted 24 Dec 2003 8:37 pm
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| yes,I wouldn`t think you could use this set up in the bigger rooms,but they will tell you that in the store too,they told me up to 500 seats,like a small club or a hotel lounge or some kind of caffe shop or restaurant.If you play stereo it comes up to $4K wich is little steap but than again you can have a pair of these and a nice little mix board and that makes a nice little PA with a great sound.Knowing some of the Bose prices I tought this was pretty reasonable.And the thing that amazases me most is that sound is kind off coming from nowhre unlike the amp where sound is boxed in the amp with this set up it`s complitly different.You don`t know until you try it believe me.It is something different.It sets up in 5 minutes and it has everything as a regular amp except reverb and you can get a great little Lexicon and have a great sound.I didn`t try this thing with the steel but acoustic sounded awesome through it.I wouldn`t jump the gun saying this is the best thing since karo syrup but I won`t say it sucks either because it doesn`t,I heard it myself. [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 24 December 2003 at 08:43 PM.] |
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seldomfed
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Colorado
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 10:33 am
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Nice to hear some actual reviews - thanks much. I believe this product is intended to replace the entire P.A., not the instrument amps. (but it could!) With these you don't need a mixer or mains, or PA amps or monitors. The intent is that each player has one tower. The result is that what you hear on stage as a player, the audience hears. And the audience percieves the sound coming from each source(player). They don't hear mono, or stereo, just natural point-source sound. Like hearing a bluegrass band in a parking lot, only louder! The whole concept is exciting. It certainly challenges what I know about live sound re-inforcement for a band. It won't replace P.A.s for huge venues clearly, but for many clubs and small theatres and stages it seems to be perfect. I'd sure like to hear steel thru one. I'd suspect you would just mic your steel amp and run it thru the tower, or just run your pre-amp signal into the tower and not worry about the amp speaker(s). Lot's of choices. These will be a hit with acoustic performers, both soloists and groups. I already do this ( the no PA trick) with my AER (Compact 60)amp, acoustic guitar and mic for solo gigs. No PA needed. If I could get out of hauling a P.A. around for the band and fighting monitor wars it would be worth the bucks. However, it might add a new set of problems to running a band. If each person is responsible for their own vol. in the 'PA' -how do you balance egos (ie. more 'me'), hearing differences etc. It takes a certain level of awareness and experience to blend your playing within a band - this surfaces that requirment even more. Instead of one person in control of the mix (the soundguy), you now have many. And PA ownership might be a bigger issue than it typically is! Who buys the towers, who hauls them and sets them up? What if the bass player forgets his or whines he has to carry more than two things. 
Chris
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Chris Erbacher
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Sausalito, California, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 3:30 pm
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| i called guitar center the other day and asked the guy on the phone if he would let me come and plug my steel into the unit and he said yes, so tomorrow i am going to the city to give it a try. he says it is really nice, only one way to find out. i'll post me results here. |
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Matt Steindl
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New Orleans, LA, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 3:38 pm
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sounds dangerous having all of the individual band members being responsible for how loud they are in the mix.
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 8:45 pm
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| If each singer/musician has his/her own tower, it's not really a "mix" at all, is it? The player with the loudest ego will be the biggest fool. Just like real life. |
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2003 9:49 pm
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| Bose should bundle these with noise-canceling headphones, so you don't have to hear the other guys. |
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jim milewski
From:
stowe, vermont
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 1:36 am
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| I get the feeling Earnest has figured out the meaning of life [This message was edited by jim milewski on 30 December 2003 at 01:36 AM.] |
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Andy Greatrix
From:
Edmonton Alberta
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 8:34 am
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| P.A.'s and amplifiers don't don't hurt your ears;People do. It all depends who you're working with. I can visualize Union Station using this kind of amplification sensibly, or four or five super-egoes fighting and blasting each other into the ground. It depends on the intelligence of the people involved. |
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Chris Erbacher
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Sausalito, California, USA
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 1:35 pm
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| one thing to do would be to have people plugged into this thing and then give the controls over to the sound guy rather than having the controls in the hands of the guys on stage. |
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 2:29 pm
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Here are some questions:
I take it these are like full range PA speakers. But steel doesn't sound good through such speakers - too much shrill high end. Would we need a multiband EQ to fix that, and would that be able to fix it?
Suppose I want vintage Fender Twin Reverb sound for my steel. Could I plug one of those column speakers into my Twin in place of its internal speakers?
All the other instruments just set their volume and play, but with steel we adjust the volume from note to note with our volume pedal to what sounds right to us. How's that going to work for us? If it sounds right for the player, will it sound right out front?
Because of the way we use the volume pedal for sustain, and attack the notes with the pedal backed off quite a bit, I've come to figure we need an amp 4 to 8 times more powerful than regular guitar players just to match their volume. The leader in one of my groups plays a little '50s Tweed Deluxe wide open (about 15 watts), and it takes at least a 100 watt Twin reverb, or a 200 watt Nashville 400 for me to keep up with him. How's that going to work with this Bose system? If everyone has an identical power source, is the guitar player going to crack his open just 10% or so, while I play with mine wide open but attenuated with my volume pedal? What happens when he opens his up to 50 or 75%, and I got nothing left?
To quote Web Pierce, "Wondering, wondering..." |
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jim milewski
From:
stowe, vermont
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 6:19 pm
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| does a bird feeder come with it, or is it an add on |
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John Floyd
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R.I.P.
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Posted 30 Dec 2003 10:57 pm
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| Bose should bundle these with noise-canceling headphones, so you don't have to hear the other guys. |
I'm starting to agree with Earnest more and more. Could this mean that I have Mad Cow Disease?  No doubt in my mind that Earnest has discovered the secrets of life.[This message was edited by John Floyd on 30 December 2003 at 11:01 PM.] |
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T. C. Furlong
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Lake County, Illinois, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2003 6:30 pm
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I have to say that this Bose system is the most intriguing concept in loudspeakers and how musicians interact that I have come across in years. The previously mentioned article in MIX Magazine is really interesting. I have been in the Pro Audio business for 30 years. I have sold,designed, specified, installed, measured, and evaluated and listened to just about every type of loudspeaker and amplifier ever made. I have never really been big on Bose but this thing could be so cool that I even contacted Bose about a demo. They are bringing one or two around next week. If anyone is interested, I'll post something about my findings. Also, I intent to play my Zumsteel, Emmons push/pull, and various guitars through one.
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