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Topic: Volume pedal & Nash 400 |
Gene Wright
From:
Cody Wyoming USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2002 3:34 pm |
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| I have started to use a Nashville 400 with my steel and I am trying to hook in my volume pedal. The pedal has a 500k pot and that's all. One wire in and one out. How is the best way to rig this, in the front,PRE EQ Patch, or in the back, Peramp in & out? Thanks Gene |
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 23 Jan 2002 3:52 pm
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If you are going to use the "3 cord" setup, run the volume pedal in the front effects loop. The Pream/Poweramp in on the back is for high (line) levels.
You can also just run the volume pedal between the guitar and the amp input, but the 3 cord setup is better (in the 3 cord setup you run your guitar directly to the amp in). |
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Michael Holland
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2002 8:41 am
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| The Pre-EQ patch is the much preferred method. This way the full output of your pickup is going to the amp at all times and the tone is more consistent across the dynamic range. |
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 24 Jan 2002 9:22 am
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| ...the Hilton pedal (or the Goodrich 7A) eliminates any advantage of the three-cord hookup.... |
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Gene Wright
From:
Cody Wyoming USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2002 10:43 am
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| Thanks for the help. I still can't get the pedal to work using the front patch. Works with one line and also works by hooking into the back in and out? Will using the back in and out hurt? Thanks again |
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 24 Jan 2002 3:15 pm
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If it works everywhere except the effects loop there must be a problem in the effects loop. Make sure you are hooking the cables up correctly. On most pedals the front jack is the input and the rear jack(s) the output.
I don't think the higher level will hurt the volume pedal, but you may be losing quite a bit of volume through the pedal. It's probably affecting the overall tone too. |
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Michael Holland
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2002 7:11 pm
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| Right, make sure you're hooking it up correctly. Cable 1 goes from the output of your guitar to the input of the amp (don't plug it into the pedal). Cable 2 goes from the PRE-EQ send to the volume pedal 'input'. Cable 3 goes from the PRE-EQ return to the volume pedal 'output'. If this doesn't work you've got a bad cable or a problem with the amp. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 25 Jan 2002 3:08 pm
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SO much for my knowledge, thanks guys. I just hooked up using three chords and what a difference ! Don't tell anyone that I didn't know, ok ? Try keeping it a secret.
I've been away for 12+ years , thats my story and I'm stickin' to it ..
TP |
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Mike Brown
From:
Meridian, Mississippi USA
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Posted 25 Jan 2002 3:24 pm
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Its good to hear that players are using the "pre eq pedal patch" on the front panel of our steel amps. Our steel amps have had this insert point feature since the early '80's and many don't know what it is for or how to use it. This very important patch point can save you $$$$$$$$ and help avoid signal degradation at the input of the amp from your steel output!!! I have seen players use various impedance matching devices to improve their signal to the input of the amp and these devices may not be necessary. Our reasoning for the pre eq insert point is "why buy an additional device to allow your guitar to operate normally through your amp when Peavey amps already offer you an option?" This patch point allows the full output of your pickup to be routed straight to the input of the amp without the signal being degradated through the various 'matching' devices or volume pedals.
This "pedal patch insert point" does require an extra cable, but there have probably been many players who have spent unnecessary money to get the most out of their guitar pickups by buying various devices that are on the marketplace. These devices costs more than a shielded cable.
The proper connection for your volume pedal is as follows;
Using one cable, connect from the output of your steel directly to the input of the amp. Then, using a second cable connect from the OUT jack in the PRE EQ PATCH section, to the input of your volume pedal. With the third cable, connect from the output of your volume pedal to the IN jack in the pre eq section of the amp.
It works, believe me. Try it.
Mike Brown
Peavey Electronics Corp.
[This message was edited by Mike Brown on 29 January 2002 at 04:15 PM.] |
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Gene Wright
From:
Cody Wyoming USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2002 1:39 pm
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| Mike Brown, I have run a cable from one Pre-EQ patch Jack to the other and my amp works fine, with out the pedal.Jack stated that that could indicate that the amp is ok if I can do this. Must be the old pedal I have hooked it up every way there is and no luck. Now with your coment on how good the sound is using the EQ Patch I am excited. What volume pedal would you recommend? Thanks to all.What a great group! Gene |
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Mike Brown
From:
Meridian, Mississippi USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2002 4:17 pm
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| I use Goodrich pedals. |
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Michael Holland
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2002 7:50 pm
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| I use Goodrich pedals too, Gene. Call me at the number I gave you if you want to walk through the hook ups. |
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Mike Brown
From:
Meridian, Mississippi USA
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Posted 30 Jan 2002 6:22 am
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Gene, by connecting a shielded cable from the IN to the OUT jack will just complete the loop,just as a volume pedal would if it was inserted in the loop.
As for the sound, in most cases you won't lose high frequencies by using this patching method. |
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Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 30 Jan 2002 6:23 pm
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Where is the best place to put a stomp box in a 3 wire set-up?
Thanks,
Roger |
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Gene Wright
From:
Cody Wyoming USA
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Posted 2 Feb 2002 3:45 pm
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| I rewired the inside of the pedal and found a wire that was not making good contact. All working fine now and what a great sound out of the EQ patch. Thanks to all, Gene |
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