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Topic: ? How many like to see the Nashville 400 come back out ? |
GARYPHILLIPS
From: SOMERSET, OHIO ,PERRY
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 7:45 am
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Hey Guys How many of you would like to see the Nashville 400 amp come back out ,
or do you like the Nashville 1000 better
just a ?
STEELIN FOR JESUS. |
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Johan Jansen
From: Europe
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 7:52 am
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To be honest:
a 400 has it's own character, if you like it or not.
I like character.
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Tommy Detamore
From: Floresville, Texas
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 8:01 am
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While they are at it, they should reissue the Vegas. That extra channel was handy, and the larger cabinet sounded better to me. One of these with a mod makes a great amp, IMHO. |
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Ted Hughes R.I.P.
From: Ms. USA
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 8:11 am
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I have had bought , The 1000 and the Nashville 400 . I went back to the Nashville 400 . I like the way the Nashville 400 sounds . |
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Richard Sinkler
From: aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 9:55 am
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The NV 400 is a great amp. The smaller cabinet also sounds better to me.
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Carter D10 9p/10k
Richard Sinkler
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KENNY KRUPNICK
From: Columbus, Ohio
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 12:34 pm
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I liked the Nashville 400.I tried out an Nashville 1000back in May,and liked it well that I want one.I play out with a Vegas 400,and I wish Peavey would make a Vegas 1000,two channels of 300 watts digital power. That would be the way to go. |
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GARYPHILLIPS
From: SOMERSET, OHIO ,PERRY
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 12:45 pm
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it sure be mice if Peavey had a custom amp shop, wear you call them up and put in your order, if you don't care about the price.
STEELIN FOR JESUS.[This message was edited by GARYPHILLIPS on 09 November 2001 at 12:47 PM.] |
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Rick Johnson
From: Wheelwright, Ky USA
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 12:47 pm
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I saw some Nashville 1000's at the
Lexington show last weekend.
They were terrible. They can't handle
the dynamics of the Cth.
Everyone should hang on the Nash/400's
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Rick Johnson
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Mike Brown
From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 3:57 pm
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Thanks for your input about the Nashville series of steel amps. I'm glad that the 400 still stirs up some interest. It'll be around for a long while.
I happen to own a 16 year old 400, but take out a 1000 every chance that I get and play through it. I overwhelmingly prefer the 1000. Does a piece of electronic gear motivate you to play better and learn more? Heck yes, it does! And the 1000 does this for me.
The Nashville 1000 can handle the full range of C6th or E9th tunings. This was proven by pro players in the spring of '99 in Nashville, Tennessee. It was well accepted after the 12 hours JAM. But, all of you know as well as I that no one person can change the mind or sway someone else's opinion. They have to find out for themselves. I invite them to visit their local authorized Peavey dealer, which can be located here; http://www.peavey.com/html/locator.cfm
I recently conducted a poll concerning the prototype Nashville 100 amplifier that was shown at Scotty's Convention this year. I heard comments like, "the 400 fit perfectly in my car trunk", "the 400 stacked great on my customer's X brand cabinet", or"I really didn't want to pay $999.99 for an amp",etc.. This is what I was told. The last comment kills me also because this same customer(not a dealer)that owns an Evans amp that he paid $1400.00 for was complaining about the MSRP of the Nashville 1000, which retails at $999.99(U.S.). Go figure.
I HOPE THAT I AM NOT THE ONLY STEELER THAT BELIEVES THAT THE TONE OF AN AMP IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURE. ".....the 400 fit perfectly in my trunk" was the comment that I could not believe!
I'm not saying that the Nashville 400 doesn't sound good because it does. But, the 1000 is the cleanest and most accurate steel amp to date. Ask Lloyd Green.
Of the 15 years that I have played steel, the number one comment about the 400 was that it weighed too much. Well, the 1000 is an improvement in that aspect as well. The 400 weighs 60lbs. and the 1000 weighs 57lbs..
Sometimes it is very hard to determine, even with all of the R & D we do, what the steel guitar community wants in a product. This market is small, but Peavey has been insistant on being involved by having at least two steel amps in the product even though our guitar, bass and keyboard products outsell the steel amps. What other company does this? Evans? Webb?
Come to think of it, what other amp company participates on this forum? NONE! Who would you support, a company that doesn't support you or a company that does support you?
I do hear what you are saying and I've said this many, many times, IT IS APPRECIATED.
However, I would like to ask a question.
Which matters most to you, the sound of your amp, or the weight of your amp. Which is the priority to you?
After Lloyd Green's set at Scotty's, he met me in the hall and told me that he had achieved the best sound ever. I have spoke with him since then, and he has copies of audio tapes of his performance. He still says that it is the best that he has ever sounded. If you know Lloyd, you know that he is critical of his performances. That is why he is one of THE MASTERS.
Let's discuss it. If you are traveling I-20 through Mississippi, stop by and I'll be glad to demo the Nashville 1000 with you. I can be reached toll free at 1-877-732-8391.
Mike Brown
Peavey Electronics Corporation
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Craig Allen
From: BEREA, KENTUCKY, USA
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 4:11 pm
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I'ld like to have another Nashville 400 LTD wedge !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Roger Crawford
From: Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 5:31 pm
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Very well said, Mike. The sound of the 1000 would be worth extra weight or size. The 400 is a great amp (I have two of them), but the clean clear sound of the 1000 makes it the one I play through when the tone matters (and when doesn't it?). Lloyd did indeed have tone to kill for. Even though he can make anything sound good, it was exceptional this year, and the 1000 was a huge part of it. And thanks for the support and attention you and the Peavey company give this forum and steel pickers.
Roger |
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KENNY KRUPNICK
From: Columbus, Ohio
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 6:27 pm
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I would also like to add,that I also have a session 400 limited that I play my sierra thru and the lows are full and rich,and the highs are razor sharp and clean. I bought this amp after my Nashville 400 was stolen. I loved the Nashville 400,and still do and if I get a shot at another,I will buy one even if it's a used one in good shape.The Session 400 Limited came out,and I bought one for it was new on the scene and thats been about 10 years ago. I have a Vegas 400 I bought about 15 years ago and I love the tone of it. I play my Zumsteel thru it. I have a Fender Vibrosonic that I love the good tube tone too.I plan to get a Nashville 1000 somewhere along the line here,and I really love the clean tone that it produces. I am a Peavey amp nut I guess. I like all my Peavey equipment, 2 Transchorus 210's,Classic Chorus 212, 118 sub-4 cabinet that I use with an Ampeg SVT Classic for bass,and the two steel amps I have. GO PEAVEY!!!!! |
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KENNY KRUPNICK
From: Columbus, Ohio
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 6:29 pm
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I don't want to forget my MSA Vitage XL,sounds good thru Peavey too. |
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John Steele
From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 6:45 pm
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I had a Nash 400, and to my limited ear, I found the mid ranges very harsh and honky.
Now I have a 1000, and all those problems are gone. Very happy. The reverb is better too, imho.
-John
p.s. And it fits in the trunk of my car... |
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Bob Carlson
From: Surprise AZ.
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 8:27 pm
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SORRY..I thought I was relpying to my own post, "Recieved My new Nashville 400".
I didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest here, I was trying to get you guys that have a Nashville 400 to share your EQ settings with me. And I'll still take them, along with any other advice you may have.
I would guess the 1000 has about half that many things to adjust, and that would make people not like them. I have my Nash 400 close to the sound I want, but only because I have some back ground with mixing boards.
BB King played his Gibson through a black face (pre 1966) Fender Twin. When they changed It to the Twin Reverb 2, (silver face) he couldn't (to use his Words) get all them knobs adjusted. I forget what he changed to, but all It had was vol, bass and treble. When they came out with the black face re issue, he went back to using them.
You have to remember, a lot of us country pickers are just that, country boys, and keep that In mind when you build amps etc, etc.
I have a CD player that has seven preset EQ settings. Maybe that would work on an amp.
My daddy always said, don't get your wants and your needs mixed up. If I would have went with my wants, I'd be the owner of a 1000. The reason being, It must be a better amp or they wouldn't have quit making the 400's.
Bob Carlson. [This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 09 November 2001 at 08:38 PM.] [This message was edited by Bob Carlson on 10 November 2001 at 08:44 PM.] |
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Mike Weirauch
From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 9 Nov 2001 11:11 pm
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I had a 1000 and couldn't get it to my liking so I sold it and got a Session 2000. When I go out, I take one of my Nashville 400's. I just like the 400's and my son likes the 2000. |
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Jack Stoner
From: Kansas City, MO
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Posted 10 Nov 2001 3:42 am
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The Nashville 400 is a nice size amp. It would appear Peavey took a step backward with the new series of amps, as they did not significantly reduce the weight and the physical size was increased.
But I can also see the manufacturing advantages as they use the same cabinet and combo amp chassis for several models, although one didn't last long. Apparently most of the weight reduction was through the switching power supply and although switching power supplies are not new they are not the most desireable type (when I worked at NASA they would not allow a switching power supply on the tracking stations because of low level spacecraft signal interference potential).
The preamp section of the new amp appears to be the same EQ system as the Nashville 400 (and Session 500) with the paramid controls.
However, I am not a "retro" type. If I were buying a new amp and the dealer had a new Nashville 400 and a Nashville 1000 in stock I would buy the 1000. |
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Joey Ace
From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 10 Nov 2001 12:37 pm
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I like my Nash 400. It started sounding better when I added a Boss RV3 and turned the amps's reverb off.
There's recent posts about Lloyd using the RV3 at the ISGC.
I've recently tried some Evans amps. They sounded great and were lightweight. Mike's correct, the tone is most important, but weight is also a factor to me.
I don't see an Evans in my future because of the hefty price tag. If Peavey could get this kind of tone and weight at a Peavey price I'd stand in line to buy one.
Thanks Mike, and Peavey, for being on the SGF, and for your support of the Steel Community.
-j0ey-
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Danny Hullihen
From: Harrison, Michigan
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Posted 10 Nov 2001 12:37 pm
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I have had, and still have, every steel guitar amp Peavey has made, including some protypes. In my opinion, Peavey has never made a steel amp I didn't like, albeit, some models I liked better than others.
Personally, I think the Session 2000 is the best sounding amp I've ever owned, and I really love the idea of having the best of all worlds in one compact package, as opposed to carrying around a rack system and seperate speakers etc. However, I've done several shows using the Nashville 1000, and here again, this amp is more than capable of giving me everything I want regarding tone. In fact, I just finished doing a recording session for a new steel guitar CD of myself and two other steel guitar players, (Mike Kile and Billy Cole,) using both, the Session 2000 and Nashville 1000's on this recording, and the sound produced from these amps was absolutely stellar!
Getting back to the question, "How many would like to see the Nashville 400 come back out?" Quite frankly, rather than reintroduce the 400, I would much rather see the time and money spent on developing new and better things for the steel players.
For instance, judging from the comments I hear from many of the steel players I meet at some of the steel shows I play, and from my customers here at Harrison Music, there's obviously a need for a scaled down,less expensive version of the 400/1000. Something with less wattage, but yet capabale of producing the tone us steel players are wanting. I saw (in my opinion,) a perfect example of this at the Convention this year in St. Louis, which was called the Nashville 100. Myself, Jerry Brightman, and Billy Phelps had the opportunity to play through these amps in the Peavey room, and we were all very impressed with the sound, as well as the great features on this amp!
John Fabian and I had requested Peavey Electronics to consider doing something like this based on the comments we receive from hundreds of steel players, and we were both quite impressed to see what Peavey had come up with. Although weight had not been reduced substantially, the sound of the Nashville 100 was phenominal, especially considering the lower wattage, and a 12" speaker.
Although the Nashville 100 is still in infancy at this time, I am in sincere hopes that this amp will be part of the production schedules at Peavey, as there is obviously a real need for this kind of a steel amp.
I realize that "weight" is certainly an issue with many folks, and I don't wish to sound insensitive, nonetheless, if an amp doesn't deliver the "tone" we want, then it wouldn't matter whether it weighed 10 pounds, or 100 pounds, few, if in fact any, would want it.
The Nashville 400 certainly had, (and still has,) albeit arguable, a place in the steel guitar world today. However, in my opinion, reintroducing old technology is making steps backward, not forward, and I think it would be detrimental with regards to taking the pedal steel guitar into the new millenium, and keeping it alive and going strong.
I'm not necesarilly suggesting that "hi-tech" is the only avenue us steel players should consider, as there are certainly some old-tech things that I still like very much, as I'm sure do several others.
Despite how we might feel about all of this controversy regarding what's really good and what isn't, I think it's paramount that we all keep an open mind regarding developments for the steel guitar industry. To do otherwise, is doing nothing but guaranteeing its demise.
As I'm sure most of you will agree, Peavey, (or moreso, Hartley Peavey,) has been there for us when other manufacturers truly couldn't care less about what a steel guitar player wanted in an amplifer, (or much of anything else for that matter.)
In any event, I think I've gone off in a tangent here and lost sight of the actual subject. My apologies...
In an nut shell, I would rather see Peavey invest it's time on new developments for the steel guitar industry, as opposed to spending it on something we've already had for many years. There are literally thousands of Nashville 400's out there, and I don't think it would be a big problem finding one if a guy really wanted it. |
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Jack Stoner
From: Kansas City, MO
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Posted 10 Nov 2001 1:40 pm
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I think the jury is still out on the 100. I heard some comments in St Louis about it and it wasn't what a "salesman" would say. |
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GARYPHILLIPS
From: SOMERSET, OHIO ,PERRY
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Posted 10 Nov 2001 4:37 pm
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Hey Guys, what do you the price is going be on the Nashville 100 going to be ?
did anyone play two of the Nashville 100 together ?
STEELIN FOR JESUS. |
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Bill C. Buntin
From: Cleburne TX
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Posted 11 Nov 2001 4:52 am
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I demoed a 1000 recently, and Mike is right. It is about the cleanest sounding thing I've ever heard. The one I demoed had the 300 watt extension with it. MAN! It really has a LOT of head room. Someone said bring back the Vegas. I always thought that too. Bring back the 400's as a twin and offer a twin version of the the 1000/2000 series. THAT would be cool. I've been using 2 seperate pre-amps with my Session 400 so I can have Twin luxury. In absolute regard to the posted subject, I say "Yes" to bringing back the Nashville 400. Here ya go Mike. Bring back the whole city series, make a twin version of the 1000 and call it Minneapolis/St.Paul. Regards. |
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Fred Murphy
From: Indianapolis, In. USA
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Posted 11 Nov 2001 7:37 am
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I would see no reason to bring back the 400. There are plenty of used ones out there for sale, and if you have one, there is no reason why it will not last a lifetime if taken care of. I certainly wouldn't wear one out. I think the Nashville 100 was probably going to be in the $600 range, and it did sound good to me. I wouldn't mind having one, of course I would like to own every kind of amp and steel guitar made. |
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Mike Brown
From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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Posted 12 Nov 2001 11:28 am
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I believe every manufacturer "wishes" that they could design one line of products that would sell and sell and sell for 50 years. Unfortunately, things don't work that way. Innovations and improvements are the reasons for new products and new jobs. The automobile industry and computer industry are prime examples of this.
Unfortunately, for the Nashville 400, it was time for a change as the cosmetic look of the amp was becoming more costly as it was the only amp in our line that still used the aluminum grill strips, etc.. So, our choice was either to increase the price of the existing design or move on to the next. Keep in mind that the amp had been in the product line for 17 years, which is longer than any other steel amp in any manufacturers product line. It was a very good model for Peavey. In addition to this, the sales figures were dwindling and we couldn't continue to manufacture the same product without breathing new life into it.
For those of you who haven't played through a Nashville 1000 amp, you owe it to yourself to play through one with an open mind, as it is a different amp than previous steel amp models. With the "modified" equalization circuit, the proven 1501 SB Black Widow speaker and the all new 300 watt digital power amp, this amp is unlike any other model on the market.
As for the Nashville '100', the majority of the responses were very favorable. However, the only negative responses that I received were from players that preferred a 15" speaker over the 12" that we used. Other than this, the amp was well received. Unfortately, there are players who will never change in this ever changing world. I believe that if I don't find out what's "out there", I won't know if I can improve my sound. The 100 is not a replacement for the older Nashville 400(100 watts vs. 210 watts). This was the misconception by many who saw this amp. The targeted MSRP is $599.99.
We, as a company want to provide a great sounding product that will fill the needs on every budget level. The '100' would fill the "below" $999.99(U.S.) mark. Check it out here; http://www.peavey.com/guitaramps/nashville_1000.html
Mike Brown
Peavey Electronics Corporation
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Jim Brown
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Posted 12 Nov 2001 1:12 pm
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I propose a Nashville 1500. This would be a combo amp, with a seperate head. The head would be a stereo version of the Nashville 1000, with a couple of available rack spaces for effects. It should have two output channels, with around 200 or 250 watts pre channel. Of course it should have all the loops as the 1000, including the lo-Z out for the board.
It should also have a matched set of speakers that are included with the amp, and the amp should not be sold without the matching speakers.
Bu having the seperate head, you get around the weight problem. You also take care of the guys who want stereo. and the included rack spaces will make for a simpler setup, and keep the clutter to a minimum.
Maybe I am wrong, but I think this would sell well.
Thanks
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