Awards show, good and bad

CB Blackwell · From: South Carolina, USA

I guess I'll break the ice here since no one else has. I enjoyed very much the awards show and was waiting for the Grand Finale, the Buck Owens tribute. Although Dwight sang great as did his partner but ZZ Top, give me a break. And who or should I say what was that thing on the drums? Yes, for the most part I was dissapointed. It looked like this part of the show was put together at the last minute with very little thought or planning. It would be nice to see Buddy Allen put together a band and tour doing all of Buck's old "Super Country Music."

Andy Greatrix · From: Edmonton Alberta

Regardless of what the drummer looked like, his playing was on the money.

Chris Bauer · From: Nashville, TN USA

One of the best drummers I've heard on those tunes. No matter what you think of his looks, he NAILED it!

Stu Schulman · From: Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)

That thing on drums was a MAN!

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

A country music awards show???There has been NO country music the last few years,so how can there be an awards show?Big and Rich,Chesney,etc.etc,Country? I beg your pardon!!!!

kyle reid · From: Butte,Mt.usa

There definately was a bit of real country, The best part of the show was when, Martina McBride W/Wayne Dahl & the rest of Martinas band nailed it! in true Texas Troubador style! kr

Wally Taylor · From: Hardin, Kentucky, USA

Charles Davidson, you are the one that "NAILED IT". Where was the "country" in any of the winners?

Wally Taylor

Earnest Bovine · From: Los Angeles CA USA

I tried to watch but it was too country for me.

Tom Jordan · From: Wichita, KS

I'll weigh-in...the drummer rocked and was pretty cool to watch. Where does it say that a "country musician" has to have a stick up his butt?

Billy Gibons did a great job with Cryin' Time as well.

Dwight did a great tribute to his mentor and he picked a great bunch of pros to do it.

Tom Jordan

Mark Eaton · Posted 26 May 2006 7:23 am

C.B., you missed the icebreaker, bud.

Below is a Forum thread from Events and Announcements for your reading pleasure.
http://tinyurl.com/f76xq

And if you scroll down, here in Steel Players, there are a couple more threads as well.

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Mark

[This message was edited by Mark Eaton on 26 May 2006 at 08:29 AM.]

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

By some of the posts I have made this past year defending real country music,Some of you may think I think that old traditional[corn country]that I dearly love is the ONLY music.I love MUSIC period.When I was a 10 year old kid,The late great Hank Snow AND the big bands such as Tommy Dorsey and Glenn Miller made me want to be a musicion.My record and CD collection consist of everything from Hank Sr. Jimmy Rodgers,Charlie [bird]Parker,Gerry Mulligan,Old Blue Eyes,All the big bands,Bill Monroe,Elton John,Bela Fleck,AC-DC,ZZ-TOP[which I LOVE]Earl Scruggs,Van Halen,The Beach Boys,the list could go on and on.What gets me upset is artist such as Big and Rich,Cowboy Troy,and most of the top ten stars of today is promoted as country,that is as absurd as saying that Peter,Paul,and Mary was a heavey metal band.It's a shame that one of the greatest country artist today Dale Watson is completely ostracized by the so-called country music industry.If there was a REAL country top ten countdown,this man would be consistently be in the top ten.Outside the underground music community,most of the general public have never heard of him,the country music record executives say [He's TOO country for country].Ludicrous!!!If they would just call this so-called country music what it really is [a poor attempt at 70's rock and roll]would make much more sense.We are losing what few country hero's we have left to often[Billy Walker last week]There are not many left,Who's gonna fill their shoe's? Maybe someone that's good at twrilling a mike stand,backed up by screaming distorted Les Pauls.

Leigh Howell · From: Edinburgh, Scotland * R.I.P.

You said it for me Charles!!! Thanks!!

Leigh

Andy Jones · From: Mississippi

Mr.Davidson,I must meet you some day.I have been reading your posts for a while and you sound like you and I are on the same page.I love all types of music,except rap,(not really music)reggae,and long hair narcotics music.Calling this so called"country music" of today real music is blasphemy.Swing,Batter Batter,Swing and Donk-A-Donk,PLEASE!

Tim Harr · From: Dunlap, Illinois

Here is another example of "members" of this Steel Guitar community disrespecting modern country music.

Before you guyys get your hearts racing and blood pressure up ...read on..

What you are really doing is disrespecting the very players that frequent this forum - ie: Paul Franklin Jr, Dan Dugmore, Steve Hinson, Tommy White, Mike Johnson, Bruce Bouton, John Hughey, and more..

This music (you can't stand) features the very players that many applaud and "leg hump" here on the SG forum on a daily basis.

Why don't you just agree to disagree if you do not prefer an artist's music?

Instead, you choose to openly bash the musical offerings and efforts of some very extremely talented MUSICIANS who make their living performing and working for an artist or producer who has retained their services.

Wow -- could y'all be any more insulting?

The biggest problem that we face today is the actual MARKETING. Yes, music lovers, MARKETING.

I know what real country music is. However, I am frustrated that the music that is called Country is not really country.

I happen to think that most of the music in question here is fine and some is beyond fine ...even though it may not be country..as we like to hear it.

It is the tag they put on it.

I think that 80% of the music on the ACM was great.. you have to consider the actual venue, sound/production challenges of the venue, etc.. to account for poor audio quality.

In the case of Sara Evans.. I have been giving that more thought.

It may have been something as simple as a problem with the monitoring system...she couldn't find her pitch based on that. I am willing to offer the benefit of the doubt here. Additionally, while most of you are working, complaining here on the forum, and practicing in the bedroom for the big gig at the Moose lodge... these artists are singing and playing with everything they have almost everyday for months at a time. It is possible that many do not give a 100% flawless performance on a program such as the ACM becuase it nmay be the 7th or 8th show they have done that week... physical fatigue may play a part in the "less than stellar" performance that we would expect. Yes, they should be capable of better but after all they are all just human.

As for the young man playing drums on National TV as a part of the Buck Owens tribute, NAILED the correct drum parts many of our current drummers (sorry to say) could only hope to tackle.

Very few drummers in my opinion, actually force themselves to stay "true" or exercise the needed "resraint" in order to achieve that particular rhythm pattern and over feel.

Go back and listen to those Buck Owens & the Buckaroo records ..especially the hi-hat parts.... very few nail those parts like the Blink 182 drummer did.

Remember when you are disgusted with the music known as country ... it is the tag they put on it...that is the real problem. If any one of these Country acts were marketed and billed as Rock acts..many would n't have a problem with the music because it is marketed differently.
I happen to appreciate what the musicans are doing and think that many are very talented.

Also, if you don't like it ..listen to something else. it is that simple.

thanks b0b for allowing my $.02

Tim

[This message was edited by Tim Harr on 26 May 2006 at 12:46 PM.]

Dave White · From: Fullerton, California USA

Tim---I laughed my head off at the Moose lodge reference, although my wife makes me practice in the living room so that I don't keep her awake all night.
I agree with a lot of what you said, especially when it comes to being able to hear well onstage in order to stay on pitch. I've done some work in studio and stage audio, and have found that a lot of so-called sound engineers can't provide a decent monitor mix to save their lives. Also, as someone who did some touring way, way back in the day, I can attest to the toll that the road takes on a performer. You don't sleep right, you don't eat right, you have to put up with the stress of traveling and dealing with a different stage and crowd every night, and still try to put on a decent performance.
As for the "sidemen," a lot of these folks are great and accomplished musicians who are doing what they need to do to achieve recognition and respect in a very competitive and cutthroat industry. It's easy for us to armchair quarterback from the security of our homes, but those folks are out there every night "gettin' 'er done," making themselves targets for praise as well as criticism along the way, because they love what they do.
I may not like all of the music that passes for "Country" these days, but that's just me. I'm pretty much stuck in my ways now. That doesn't mean that the people I don't care for aren't reaching out and grabbing an appreciative audience--they must be, because just look at their popularity. I'll go on doing what I do and they can go on doing what they do, and we may never agree on musical philosphies, but we are all still united in the brotherhood and sisterhood of musicians, and may we all live long and prosper.

Andy Greatrix · From: Edmonton Alberta

Getting paid to play an instrument on todays' country CDs is like making love for money.
I'd do it too if I could, but not if I was rich enough to feed my family without it.
Dislike the records, not the players.

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

Andy, You are 100% right.When I am talking about the sorry state country music is in I am NOT talking about the genius side men and studio players such as Paul Franklin,Eddie Bayers,Brent Mason,Michael Rhodes,John Hobbs,etc,etc.Some of the most talented pickers PERIOD.They deserve every penny they make doing sessions and following directions from some producer that does not have a clue.[This is a quote from a great steeler George Ewards]In the past you could pick out a player from his style,there are great players out there but it sounds generic,the whole Nashville scene is generic.I've heard players such as Tommy,Paul,and Mike Johnson that can play as well or better as the old guys,if they were given the opportunity to do so.I'ts the suits that control the music business,that has absolutly ruined the music,NOT THE PLAYERS.

Leslie Ehrlich · From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

IMHO, no awards show is good.

Tim Harr · From: Dunlap, Illinois

Charles,

maybe the complaints need to be be about the "suits" instead of the artists who work for them.

Put it into this perspective.. complain about the company not it's employees...

maybe?

Andy,

your quote: "Getting paid to play an instrument on todays' country CDs is like making love for money"

I would imagine a fellow with your thought pattern would not confront Paul Franklin and tell him he falls into this catagory....

Gimme a break... what do you do for a living? Wow, I am amazed at the level of disrespect here...especially on this topic.

Too bad that it is the "norm" these days

[This message was edited by Tim Harr on 26 May 2006 at 03:44 PM.]

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

Tim You need to read again,I did't make that quote,In my post I had only praise for the studio pickers.

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

Tim,I apologize,I see you were speaking to Andy,But I stand by everything I did say.

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

By the way how can telling the truth be disrespectful,I don't like political correctness,As far as my job,have been a musician for approx,50 years.

Kevin Hatton · From: Buffalo, N.Y.

I agree Charles. Tell it like it is.

Tim Harr · From: Dunlap, Illinois

Point taken Charles.

No disrespect towards you, or anyone for that matter.

I just think that the people who take the brunt of the negative critiques here are the ARTISTS, not the management.

You could do a million searches on this SGF all of the way back to the heyday of Garth Brooks to prove my point.

Your opinon and point is good..

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

Concerning the drummer every one is talking about,I remember a quote the late,great Vasser Clements[Which was my alltime favorite fiddle player]He alwayes had short hair,Anyway he was asked how could he play with all those long haired hippys[Old and in the way bunch]His reply was,I never noticed the hair,Just what's in their hearts.

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