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Leon Grizzard
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Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 1:40 pm |
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| There was recent thread on the faults of drummers, and now fiddlers, harmonica and sax. A while back, guitar players were discussed. Do steelers do anything wrong? |
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 1:44 pm
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Good ? Leon
Steel Players' are a different breed!  |
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Chris Scruggs
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 2:20 pm
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1Play too loud.
2Play "licks" for the sake of playing "licks"(instead of what would work best for the song).
3Play out of tune(yes, some do).
4Try to play to fast, just to show they can keep up with everybody else(it's NOT a banjo just bacause it has fingerpicks).
5Play C6 with the same mentality as E9(IMO C6 should not have blatant pedal movements, but should be used for tuning changes)
6WAY TOO MUCH REVERB...EVERB...EVERB... |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 3:20 pm
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I just hate it when the steel player sits out for a verse or a chorus.  |
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Don Joslin
From:
St. Paul, MN
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 3:34 pm
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There's not enough of them
Don
PS - I do like lots of reverb 
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 4:16 pm
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| IMO C6 should not have blatant pedal movements, but should be used for tuning changes |
Listen to Curly Chalker's rendition of "If" from the counterpoint LP. You might change your mind.
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Tay Joslin
From:
Clarksvillle, Tennessee USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 4:22 pm
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| Totally off-topic, but are you in any way related to the late, great Lewis Grizzard, Mr. Leon? Now he was a great American! |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 5:58 pm
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I'm with Chris on all of his points. One extention of his "Licks" problem is that pedalsteel players tend to make everything sound country. Many steel players just mash away on the AB pedals no matter what the music calls for. Because that is what most steel players do it is difficult to get the instrument accepted outside of the shrinking musical ghetto that we make for ourselves.
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Bob
intonation help
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Bill C. Buntin
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 6:09 pm
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| Yea, I was let go by Johnny Lee because of Playing too loud on stage, and not sticking with the "original" session players licks on his hits from years ago. I learned valuable lesson though, that is if you work for an artist who has had some hits, Better play it as they are used to hearing it, OR ELSE. Next time this won't happen to me. If there IS a next time. |
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Ken Lang
From:
Simi Valley, Ca
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 7:01 pm
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Well, I picked up my bar. It was all downhill from there.
Mike P gave me some good advice tho.
Take 3 weeks off, then quit. [This message was edited by Ken Lang on 19 August 2004 at 08:04 PM.] |
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Jim Phelps
From:
Mexico City, Mexico
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 7:25 pm
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Bill Llewellyn
From:
San Jose, CA
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 8:08 pm
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One More time..
Anger
Envy
Gluttony
Greed
Lust
Sloth
and My personal fave..
Vanity.
EJL
[This message was edited by Eric West on 20 August 2004 at 03:37 PM.] |
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Rich Weiss
From:
Woodland Hills, CA, USA
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Posted 19 Aug 2004 9:19 pm
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Some call these the 7 deadly sins, I call them 7 daily sins.
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 20 Aug 2004 8:15 am
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| I'd agree with Chris about playing with too much effects. I saw a steel player the other week who had so much effects on his rig that you literally could not tell what notes he was playing. |
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Smiley Roberts
From:
Hendersonville,Tn. 37075
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Posted 20 Aug 2004 1:27 pm
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FAULTS...??? I DON'T HAVE NO STINKING FAULTS!!! ( )
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Bob Wood
From:
Madera, California, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2004 11:17 am
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Hey! We don't mention the fault-word out her in sunny Cal-i-for-nee-a! Already too many earthquakes.
Bob |
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Bob Hickish
From:
Port Ludlow, Washington, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 21 Aug 2004 5:28 pm
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YES !!! If I played - Drums - Banjo - Bass - Sax - Piano - Fiddle - Lead Guitar - Accordian or any other instrument !! other than the Steel !!
YOU BET ! the Steel player would have Faults !!!
Your My Man Smiley :] I couldn't have said it better ;] ;] ;]
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Alan Pagliere
From:
Ann Arbor, MI, USA
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Posted 21 Aug 2004 8:08 pm
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Bob H. is right. I'm right now trying to find some jazz musicians to play some jazz, old standards, and bop. It's a bit of a tough sell. Everyone has AB E9 country licks in their heads. That's all they've heard, so they think that's all the instrument can do.
We shall overcome... someday. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 22 Aug 2004 2:59 am
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we take up too much space ..
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 22 Aug 2004 4:49 am
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i'll agree to that Tony !
we sure do have a prob' w: available space |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 22 Aug 2004 9:32 am
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Alan:
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| Everyone has AB E9 country licks in their heads. That's all they've heard, so they think that's all the instrument can do |
Unfortunatly its all that many steel players are able or interested in doing also.
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intonation help
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Jim Phelps
From:
Mexico City, Mexico
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Posted 22 Aug 2004 9:58 am
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 22 Aug 2004 10:05 am
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I think a close tie to the AB pedal mashers is those people that seem to think that putting Sixth Chords over every major chord passage somehow exudes more "class". Especially when the rest of the band is playing flatted sevenths.
To me, they are just as responsible for the pigeon holing of this most versatile of instruments. As well, being played through a wimpy, cheezy amp being called some other glowing adjective..
Also, the misuse of the Mixolydian mode..
EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 22 August 2004 at 11:09 AM.] |
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Leon Grizzard
From:
Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 22 Aug 2004 11:40 am
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Tay, I don't know if I am related to Lewis Grizzard or not, though I sure love to claim him.
Erik, would you explain what you said about the Mixolydian mode? |
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