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Topic: Western Swing is really Texas Swing |
Leon Grizzard
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Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 7 Apr 2004 5:21 am |
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In this month's edition of Country Line Magazine (The Only Texas Country Music, Cowboy, Outdoor and Lifestyle Magaizine), there is a article about the upcoming Legands of Texas Swing Festival, to be held at the site of Alamo movie set near Dripping Springs.
The article says "Combining elements of country, jazz, blues, ratime, gospel and folk music, the unique sound that has come to be known as Texas Swing (some mistakenly call it Western Swing)" started with Bob Wills and Milton Brown. It goes on: "Texas Swing is Texas territory. It originated in Texas. It belongs to Texas. And, Texas is taking its swing music back."
There you have it friends. |
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Bill Holly
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Pineville, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 7 Apr 2004 5:41 am
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Leon,
Do you have any details on the show such as when, cost, directions, etc.
Thanks!
Bill |
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Leon Grizzard
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Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 7 Apr 2004 6:24 am
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May 15. Tickets from Front Gate Tickets, 888-512-7469, or www.texasswingtickets.com
Dripping Springs (called Drippin' locally) is about ten miles west of Austin on Highway 290. I don't know exactly where the movie set is. Acts inlcude Asleep at the Wheel, and Texas Playboys II. Johnny Gimble will be honored as a legend of Texas Swing.[This message was edited by Leon Grizzard on 07 April 2004 at 07:40 AM.] |
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Billy Wilson
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El Cerrito, California, USA
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Posted 7 Apr 2004 6:35 am
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| Sorry, We're not giving it back!!!!!!! |
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Janice Brooks
From:
Pleasant Gap Pa
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Posted 7 Apr 2004 8:08 am
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Also Hank Thompson will be in Austin that night at the Broken Spoke on the farewell tour. (Yes I will be in town)
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Janice "Busgal" Brooks
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Alvin Blaine
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Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 7 Apr 2004 11:19 am
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| "Texas Swing is Texas territory. It originated in Texas. It belongs to Texas. And, Texas is taking its swing music back." |
It just took a bunch of "Okies" to play it right then moved it out to California to make it popular.
If it would have stayed in Texas and only played by Texans, then you probably would have never heard of it. That would be like keeping Bluegrass Music in Kentucky. If it had just stayed a regional style it would be dead by now.
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Scott Henderson
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Camdenton, Missouri, USA
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Posted 7 Apr 2004 12:35 pm
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I have to agree with Alvin to some degree.
The oil boom was not the only hay-day for towns like Tulsa and Pawhuska Oklahoma. Bob wills music was better received, I have been told, when he first started in Oklahoma. "Light crust doughboys" was not nessecarily a compliment. Read the book about bob wills and it can explain it better.Texas has perserved it, cherished it, and even sustained it but 100% own it?? sorry can't agree with that 100% It is a style of music that can be adapted very well to the area it's played in. for example where i live there is always a hint of st. louis blues involved in their western swing. it gives the lead instruments a little more freedom. I also hear it being different on the beats walkin CD that Jim Cohen has out. I beleive there is a texas swing a western swing, an oklahoma swing etc etc. oh and for the record i grew up around people like jack bailey frankie mccquarter, hershal clothier and gene crownover...(people who played for the king)gotta go think i see T-U-L-S-A- straight ahead. hehehehehehe
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Steelin' away in the ozarks and life,
Scott
www.scottyhenderson.com
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Gary Harris
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Hendersonville, TN, USA
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Posted 10 Apr 2004 5:14 pm
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| Bob Wills was great but this ole Tennesse boy loved Spade Cooley. |
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Jody Carver
From:
KNIGHT OF FENDER TWEED
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Posted 10 Apr 2004 6:21 pm
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Gary
AMEN. |
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FIONA TOMANY
From:
ISLE OF CUMBRAE SCOTLAND
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Posted 11 Apr 2004 9:01 am
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| "It don't matter whoose in Austin Bob Wills is still the King." I live in Scotland and love it. Sadly most folk in Scotland have no idea what Western/ Texas Swing is they are so ignorant. It Proved so when I saw Hank Thompson in Glasgow years ago. Thye had no idea who he was as a result he sold very few CD's I enjoyed the chance to speak to him he was very nice. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 13 Apr 2004 4:35 pm
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Western Swing? Yeah, there were some real famous ones like the Light Crust Doughboys, Milton Brown and his Brownies, Bob Wills, Spade Cooley, Leon McAuliff and the Cimmaron Boys, and Hank and his Brazos Valley Boys. But there were also lots of lesser-known groups, as well, who get little attention today. The Hi-Flyers, Doug Bine's Orchestra, The Village Boys, The Bar-X Cowbows, Adolf Hoffnar and his Texans, Bob Sykes and the Skyrockets, The Tune Wranglers, Jimmy Revard and the Oklahoma Playboys, Charlie Harold and the Roundup Wranglers, and the Johnny Lee Wills Band (led by Bob's brother). All of these groups from the '30s and '40s, and dozens of others too, helped make Western Swing what it is today.  |
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John McGann
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Boston, Massachusetts, USA * R.I.P.
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Posted 14 Apr 2004 11:03 am
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No argument there. Some of the original great swing musicians came from Texas and Oklahoma- like Charlie Christian...and don't get started on Kansas City (it ain't all that far now, is it!)
How's about Vance Terry, with Billy Jack Wills and Jimmie Rivers- your steel guitar education is not complete without hearing that stuff![This message was edited by John McGann on 14 April 2004 at 12:05 PM.] |
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Janice Brooks
From:
Pleasant Gap Pa
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Posted 11 May 2004 8:22 am
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So who all will be around for either of Saturdays shows?
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Leon Grizzard
From:
Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 13 May 2004 1:15 pm
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| I'm a little disappointed with this thread. I figured I would unleash a barrage of Texas bashing, but no one has taken the bait. Oh, well. [This message was edited by Leon Grizzard on 13 May 2004 at 05:09 PM.] |
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Jody Cameron
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Angleton, TX,, USA
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Posted 13 May 2004 1:23 pm
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Leon, that's because the truth is hard to argue with.  |
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Alvin Blaine
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Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 13 May 2004 6:31 pm
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| I'm a little disappointed with this thread. I figured I would unleash a barrage of Texas bashing, but no one has taken the bait. Oh, well. |
Being a fourth generation okie I tried to point out that it wasn't all Texans that created and played Western Swing.
In fact it was Spade Cooley (born in Oklahoma) that named it Western Swing(while living in California) and proclaimed himself the King of Western Swing. |
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Mike Sweeney
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Nashville,TN,USA
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Posted 14 May 2004 9:11 am
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Boys and Girls,
If you think about it, Western Swing music is not so much about your home state as it is a "State Of Mind".
I'm not trying to upset anybody's apple cart but, I think anyone can love or play the music no matter where they live.
If you don't think so, just come to Nashville and go to the Station Inn some Monday night and listen to the Time Jumpers.
Mike[This message was edited by Mike Sweeney on 14 May 2004 at 10:12 AM.] |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 14 May 2004 9:21 am
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My experiences with a touring Western Swing band in the 1970's was this: the line of demarkation was the Mississippi River.
West of the Mississippi, audiences primarily were dancers, and the performances mostly were dances. That is the tradition in the Southwest... dancing.
When we went East of the Mississippi, the performances were primarily show dates. The audiences sat concert-style in auditoriums and politely listened and applauded. The dancing was relegated to roadhouses and honky-tonks, I guess.
There were definitely western swing bands in the southeast and mid-south, most notably Pee Wee King and Redd Stewart. But the lion's share of this music must be claimed by Texas, Oklahoma, and California, which is where so many former Texans and Okies wound up because of the Dust Bowl drought, and then the WW2 war effort.
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Herb's Steel Guitar Pages
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Jennings Ward
From:
Edgewater, Florida, R.I.P.
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Posted 17 May 2004 5:30 pm
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| Herb, the reason you dont have any dancers east of the big river is because of the Babtist in the audiences....Western/Texas/oklahoma/ california , all are great music, as well as West virginia Opra, played at Sandstone ,W.Va. on a corn stalk fiddle with possum hair on the bow. I love it, and so does anyone else that has heard it. Ask Russ Hicks. my 2 centavos worthsky. thanks < JEnnings |
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