Carl Smith, stand up and take a bow?

Mike Weirauch · From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe

I can remember when the hilight of the entire CMA Awards show was who got inducted into the Hall Of Fame instead of Entertainer of the Year award. It was always the last award presented and it's inductee was always kept a secret and after a lengthy presentation and everyone wiped the snot on their sleeves and hugged their kids, wife, girlfriends and mother, they made their way to the stage for an emotional "thank you" speech and a peek at the bronze plaque. I personally felt that it was a slap in the face when Vince asked Carl to stand and take a bow. It was almost like saying "stand up and wave for 5 seconds and then get the hell out of here because you don't fit in with us anymore!"

David Wright · From: Pilot Point ,Tx USA.

I'm with you Mike, Carl didn't get $hit, what a bounch of A~holes..

My favorite Carl Smith is when he backed Curly up ...........

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Larry Miller · From: Dothan AL,USA

I agree 100%!!

Joe Casey · From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

Mike I was trying to think of something to say about that pile of $hit I watched last night without getting thrown off the Forum.Although music wise it was one of the better shows in a while,I purposely stayed tune to see Carl walk up and recieve his honor.Carl may not belong in today's so called Country crowd but his plaque certainly belongs hanging in any true country music hall of fame.What a stab in the heart of Country Music the CMA is.Now they will probably hang his plaque right next to Shots Dobro.Carl was certainly right to quit when he did, He saw what was coming. Last night was the last CMA show I will ever watch.I am totally ashamed to see a man invited,set up for a big night and knocked on his a$$ by the people who invited him.I would have liked to have seen someone, anyone with b@ll$ call him up to the stage like Lonestar did to Alablama. He deserved to be treated with the respect other Legends have recieved.

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Al Johnson · From: Sturgeon Bay, WI USA

I give up on the CMA a few years ago, I am going to be 70 soon and I spent too many years enjoying Country-Western and Western Swing music. I can't get into present day stuff. It could make you sick for the way they treated Carl Smith. I saw him live once in the early 1960s at the Indiana State Fair.
No band anymore just Carl Smith and Sammy Pruitt. They were great. Never have cared for Vince Gill, lotta talent, but a Nashville man. Al

Theresa Galbraith · From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

I thought it was disrepectful also.
Carl should have been able to accept his long over due award as should the Floyd Cramer family. HOF should mean more than a camera shot.
As does Musician of the Year.
Theresa

David Doggett · Posted 6 Nov 2003 7:08 am

I agree about Carl Smith getting short shrift, but I wouldn't blame Vince Gil. He doesn't run the show. He follows the script and the prompter. It looked like toward the end they were cutting some things short because they were running out of time. Seemed like George Jones presented the Entertainer of the Year award really quickly, without even going through the nominees. Is that usual? Or was I noodling around on my pedal steel during that. I always play along with the show, but I was stopped dead by Dolly and Nora Jones song and just listened with my mouth open like everybody else.

Dale Bessant · From: Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada

It wasnt as thought they didnt have time because at the end Vince was tryin to fill in as much time as possible to make it to the end of the time slot....Yes I have lost interest as well..There isnt even enough respect for the C.M.A. for SOME entertainers to look half decent,some of them looked like they've been on the road for 2 weeks without a chance to clean up!!!!...

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Theresa Galbraith · From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

George just forgot to mention the other nominees. It was odd. Hat's off to all nominated!

As much as I like Vince, he could talk less. Let others have there due.
Theresa

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Chris Lucker · From: Los Angeles, California USA

I am not defending the CMA awards, but Carl Smith did not want to go up on stage and it was tough enough to get him to attend the show at all.
And as far as the HOF presentation being the highlight of the CMA show in the past, well the less than a handful of record companies that run things make it clear that "they do not make money on dead people."
Chris Lucker

Ron Page · From: Penn Yan, NY USA

I know better than to bother watching or taping that gig anymore. Besides, I can always count on Joe Casey and Mike Weirauch to concisely capture the essence of the evening for me right here on the forum.

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Joe Casey · From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

Hey Ron I think I resemble that remark

I don't think I will watch the show again unless it becomes a Country awards show. Remember when the Artist all use to see who could look the best for these shows,expensive hairdoos,haircuts and Fancy suits and dresses. I never thought I would see a show where Willie would be over dressed. All I can say is the "Bum look" must be in now.Sort of matches the music,did I say music?

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Theresa Galbraith · From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

Joe,
No disrespect.
I like the sound more than the way they dress.

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

I only watched a little more than half the show, so I didn't get to see Carl get the "bum's rush", but I'm not surprised. They treat the "Instrumentalist of the Year" the same way. Face the facts, this is a show about current record sales. They're not about to waste "prime time money" for something that's not going to get a big return, i.e., sell a lot of CD's.

In reality, the show's a promotional opportunity, a glitzy infomercial, nothing more. As far as how they treat the old "founders" of country music (in the words of John Brunner)...

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Since this whole enterprise is the very height of folly, what difference can one more piece of "unwisdom" make?

I watched until they started throwing in goofyass tilted camera angles, and the music got too loud for the singers, and the commercials got up to 5 minutes long (for about every 7 minutes of show). Then I turned off the TV, poured myslf a Scotch, and read a good book.

Joe Casey · From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

Theresa, I guess I just got old.I guess being a musician right now is easier on the what do I wear tonight syndrome. If a guy had a day gig in on a construction site he could get home from work,sleep in the same clothes,wake up muss his hair up,splash on a little Avon and just go out to the gig.He actually could use the same clothes 3-4 nights in a row. I guess I was just born twenty years (maybe more)too early. Or is it they were born too late? I wonder how I would look if my wife didn't dress me.

She just made me lose 26 pounds.Now me and the guitar are closer... helps my golf game too.

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Jody Sanders · From: Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.

As ET once said,When you walk out on stage to entertain the people who are providing your living dressed like you just got thru cutting the grass, you are showing utter contempt for your audience. These are not his exact words as I felt I needed to clean it up a little. Jody.

Smiley Roberts · From: Hendersonville,Tn. 37075

Why didn't Carl Smith give speech at CMAs?

From Tennessean senior writer and columnist Tim (Dirt Man) Ghianni:

The great Carl Smith was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame during last week's Country Music Association Awards, but never got to say a word on air. What gives?

After fans called to ask, I tracked down Carl Smith's wife, Goldie Hill, to get her take on it. Carl chose to let his wife speak for him. Neither she nor Carl are the type to complain. Goldie says they aren't angry. ''What made up for it was the standing ovation that lasted and lasted,'' she says.

''Carl was prepared to make remarks,'' she says, noting that her husband was backstage relaxing in an office and thinking about his statement … until someone from the production came and told him he wasn't going to be allowed to say anything on camera and that he needed to go sit with his wife in the audience.

She says her husband's comments ''would have been very gentlemanlike and appreciative.''

''He is very proud of the honor,'' she says. ''It's probably the award of the year. I just think it was kind of disappointing to him that he wasn't able to thank the people that did vote for him.''

Perhaps a misunderstanding? The producers said yesterday that they had been told Smith didn't want to speak on camera, so instead allowed the time ''to focus on the wonderful standing ovation he received for his amazing career,'' according to the CMA's senior manager of media relations Scott Stem.

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Joe Casey · From: Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)

You can "BULL$--T" some of the people some of the time,especially if they are use to being "BULL$--TED". If I had one word that could describe(the nearly famous) Scott Stems statement it would be "BULL$--T".

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Jody Sanders · From: Magnolia,Texas, R.I.P.

Did you notice how Carl Smith was dressed ? Strictly class. Jody.

Jim Phelps · From: Mexico City, Mexico

Chris Lucker, you say Carl didn't want to go onstage with an awful lot of certainty, although the statement from his wife says they were told he wasn't going to be allowed to speak....I was just wondering, how you KNOW so certainly he didn't want to speak, did Carl tell you that?

Chris Lucker · From: Los Angeles, California USA

Jim, I have known Walter Miller, the CMA show's producer, for quite a while. We belong to the same small golf club. I do not know Walter through music and the only music connection is a coincidence in that the political consulting firm I am part of handled much of Mike Curb's political career. I have no music industry connections through music.
A couple of days after the CMA show airs and I see the posts on the Forum, I ask Walter about the Carl Smith flap. Walter tells me how difficult it was even to get Carl Smith to agree to come to the show at all. When Carl Smith finally conceded to coming to the show, he made it clear that he did not want to go on stage. That is what I know from Walter. Walter Miller has no motive for telling me anything other than the truth. He does not lie about his handicap either.
I have not asked Walter whether he knew Carl Smith was waiting backstage and preparing his remarks. But it seems to me that if Carl Smith was preparing his remarks that late, it seems to me that Carl Smith made a last hour decision to go on stage. By that time, a show is produced and time is planned and dedicated. I am not defending the CMA folks, or Walter's production style, or trying to take a position against Carl Smith, but it seems that Carl Smith had ample time to agree to come to the awards show in the first place and get scheduled into the program had he wanted to.
Now, if Walter had known that George Jones would goof and leave a 40 second hole in the show, perhaps Walter would have been happy to have Carl Smith use it at the last minute -- if Walter knew Carl Smith wanted to use 40 seconds. That's a big if. It was not as though Walter was wandering around backstage near showtime and was likely to bump into Carl Smith preparing remarks.
To answer your question, no, Carl Smith did not tell me that he did not want to go on stage. The show's producer did. Did Carl tell you something to contradict Walter Miller's version of Carl Smith's expressed intentions in the weeks and days leading up to the CMA broadcast?

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Jim Phelps · From: Mexico City, Mexico

"Did Carl tell you something to contradict Walter Miller's version of Carl Smith's expressed intentions in the weeks and days leading up to the CMA broadcast?"

Did I imply anywhere that Carl or anyone had told me anything? NO. On the other hand, it was a fair enough question for me to ask you.

I asked if Carl had told you "he didn't want to speak" because of the certainty of your statement, as if you were stating an indisputable fact from an unquestionable source. I think anyone making a statement like that had better have a pretty good source, and personally I believe the only source solid enough to justify your statement is Carl himself. You say at least three times, "it seems....", "so it seems...", and about 3 or 4 "if's". This constitues conjecture and hearsay, not fact.

This isn't meant to be a personal attack, Chris, only saying that despite your contact's close relationship with what goes on at the CMA, the only one qualified to say "Carl didn't want to speak" and know for sure that it's true is CARL, and so far he hasn't said it. When HE says it, I'LL believe it.

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John P. Phillips · From: Folkston, Ga. U.S.A., R.I.P.

All I got to say is that I think I'd believe Goldie before I'd believe some pencil jockey in an office. The proper thing to do under broadcast etiquette(sp) would be to plan time for Carl to accept the award and inform him of such. Then if he decided not to go onstage, the MC could then fill. Anyway that's the job he was hired for. That way the ball would be in Carl Smith's court and the decision would be his. Therefore, no flap against the CMA or T V folks.
I personally believe that Carl would have wanted to express his thanks for an award that nobody I can think of would take lightly if they were recieving it.
End result, total lack of planning and foresight of production staff. I can see it no other way !!! (my 2 cents)

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