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Topic: Most Overrated Pop Star(s) |
Stephen Gregory
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Posted 25 Sep 2003 6:46 am |
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Ricky Littleton
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Steely-Eyed Missile Man from Cocoa Beach, Florida USA
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Posted 25 Sep 2003 6:51 am
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JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE just to start, but the list goes on to include little Miss Spears. Seems like so many other good acts are getting overlooked because of the PR shadow cast by these two people.
Just my $0.02 worth
Ricky
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Bill Hatcher
From:
Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 25 Sep 2003 6:56 am
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John Steele
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Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 25 Sep 2003 10:15 am
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Yesterday in the Ottawa Citizen there was a feature story on Cher, and her never-ending Farewell Tour.
The article explains that the Farewell Tour started about 2 years ago, and since then she's played Toronto twice, and is due back soon for another tearful "so long".
For a person who can't sing (and I mean, at all) she must laugh herself to sleep every night thinking of the numerous times since the 1970's she's sucked people in.
Farewell tour ? Sheesh.....Goodbye, already!!
-John
Hello, I must be going
I cannot stay, I came to say,
I must be going...
I'm glad I came, but just the same,
I must be going
I'll stay a week or two,
I'll stay the summer through,
But I am telling you,
I must be going...
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 25 Sep 2003 12:26 pm
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| Britany Spears, obviously. |
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David Cobb
From:
Chanute, Kansas, USA
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Posted 25 Sep 2003 2:11 pm
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| I never did get Elvis Costello, but he sold a lot of records and he's still around, I just saw him on one of the late shows. |
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Roger Rettig
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Naples, FL
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Posted 25 Sep 2003 2:12 pm
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It's not my cup of tea, but I actually think that Justin T. has got some vocal chops - his style's been aped by that guy in Rascal Flatts. They overdo it a bit, but I wouldn't mind having that abilty myself so I could choose not to do it.....
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Dale Bessant
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Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
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Posted 25 Sep 2003 3:55 pm
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Like it was mentioned before,its not really talent there selling today,its sex appeal,if you've got a good body,good looks,and can kinda hold a tune with your vocal chords and dont mind sellin' your soul down the river,you might just become a "Star"(never really liked that term)my vote goes to Mr. Mcgraw...  |
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Nicholas Dedring
From:
Beacon, New York, USA
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 10:09 am
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| Doesn't "Pop Star" IMPLY over-rated??? |
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Chris Walke
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St Charles, IL
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 11:15 am
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I wouldn't consider Costello a pop star. Certainly not anymore, tho' I don't think he ever really was one.
Intelligent lyrics, great sense of melody. I recommend his King of America album.
As for overrated pop stars, I pretty much agree with the sentiment that all pop stars are overrated. The music tends to be shallow and the stars themselves are far from timeless. Nature of the beast.
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Eric Myers
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 12:07 pm
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Well those "pop stars" do have a valid place in the food chain - my kids love them, and it does get them into music. Plus I enjoy listening to the cds of spears and her ilk because the production is so ouststanding I can hear and pick up on all kinds of neat little studio trickery.
I guess my point is, the term "overrated" is "overrated"..=)
Cheers
Eric |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 12:15 pm
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Yes, I suppose that 'pop star' is a derogatory title....
What should we call James Taylor?
Intelligent lyrics, a great sense of melody (AND a solid vocabulary of chords), along with a good voice - unlike Mr Costello (I can never listen to more than a few moments of Elvis C. or Bob Dylan for that reason).
JT has it all for me - the 'pop star' tag shouldn't apply to him. What is he, though?
Maybe America's songwriter? (Well, him and Randy Newman, I think....)
How do we evaluate Elvis Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, The Beatles - these were all just 'pop stars' once, but they (and others) have left a real mark.
It's an illustration of the folly of musical categorizing, but I guess it would be safe to say that Britney, Justin and their *** will eventually sink without trace.....
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(Edited to remove 'ilk' - it shouldn't appear twice on the same Forum on the same day!)
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 12:21 pm
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[This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 26 September 2003 at 01:25 PM.] |
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Peter Siegel
From:
Belmont, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 12:38 pm
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| Madonna. |
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John Steele
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Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 1:09 pm
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Personally, I think James Taylor is brilliant. I would credit his popularity to a momentary lapse in bad taste on the part of the general public. I agree, he would be hard to pigeonhole, although I'd say he doesn't fit into the popstar category.
I'd borrow Ellington's phrase, and say he is "beyond category".
-John |
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Anne Marie O Keeffe
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Co.Waterford,Ireland.
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Posted 26 Sep 2003 1:38 pm
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We've got Ronan Keating and Samantha Mumba.......anyone want them?  |
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Stephen Gregory
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 4:10 am
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| ^^^^^^ |
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Lawrence Sullivan
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Granite City, Illinois, USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 7:32 am
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DURING THE 1950'S, 60S, AND INTO THE 70,S QUITE A NUMBER OF INSTRUMENTALS WERE BIG HITS
CHET, POOR PEOPLE OF PARIS, JORGEN INGMAN, APACHE, TOM AND JERRY WHEELS, BILLY VAUGHN, BERT KAMPHFERT, HERB ALPERT, THE VENTURES, DUANE EDDY'S DETOUR AND MANY MANY MORE AND THIS WAS DURING THE ERA OF THE BIGGIES DOMINATION, ELVIS, JERRY LEE LEWIS, FATS, LITTLE RICHARD ETC AND THE INSTRUMENTALS STILL MADE IT TO THE TOP
WHAT CHANGED???? DOMINATION OF THE MARKET IS WHAT,NEW ARTISTS ARE PROMOTED FOR THEIR SEX APPEAL, NOT THEIR MUSICAL ABILITY MAYBE IT STARTED WITH ELVIS, TOM JONES AND ENGLEBERT H
IN THOSE YEARS WE COULD BUY ONE SONG ON A 45RPM ALSO WE WERENT FORCED TO BUY A WHOLE ALBUM OF STUFF WE DIDN'T REALLY CARE FOR. THE FILLER THAT COSTS THE BUYER AS MUCH AS WHAT THEY LIKE
WANTA CHANGE IT???? POSSIBLY THIS MIGHT WORK
ITS BEING REPORTED THAT APPLE HAS SOLD SOME 10,000,000 TUNES, ONE AT A TIME, AND THERE SYSTEM ONLY REACHES ABOUT 3% OF THE COMPUTER PUBLIC
SOMEONE, OR A GROUP OF MUSICIANS, GET THE SOFTWARE WRITTEN, START A WEB SITE WHERE THE SONGS ARE POSTED, WHERE PEOPLE CAN BROWSE WHATS AVAILABLE, DOWNLOAD ANY TUNE USING A CREDIT CARD
EACH ARTIST COULD BE CONNECTED TO THE MAIN SITE WITH WHAT MUSIC HE OR SHE HAS AVAILABLE,
BE SET UP TO TAKE CREDIT CARDS OR WHATEVER METHOD THEY PREFER, THEN WHEN A PERSON CLICKS ON A TUNE THEY WANT THE MAIN SITE COULD AUTOMATICALY SWITCH TO THE ARTISTS SITE.YOU PAY AND DOWNLOAD THE TUNE. THE ARTIST WOULD BE PAID RIGHT THEN ELIMINATING ALL THE MIDDLEMEN THE MAIN SITE WOULD HAVE TO GET SOME AMOUNT TO DO THIS BUT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE ARTIST WOULD END UP WITH A GREATER PROPORTION THAN THEY NOW GET
ARTISTS COULD HAVE SHORT EXCERTS FOR CUSTOMERS TO LISTEN TO AND NEW ARTISTS, AND OLD ONES THAT CAN'T GET RECORDED ANY MORE,COULD HAVE A FORUM ON THE SITE TO GET HEAR. THIS MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME TO CATCH ON BUT RADIO STATIONS RUN ON ADVERTISEMENT DOLLARS AND WILL EVENTUALLY PLAY WHATEVER GETS THEM LISTENERS
I WAS A TRUCK DRIVER, NOT A BUSSINES MAN OR MUSICIAN, BUT I THINK THE IDEA COULD BE WORKED OUT TO A WIN WIN SITUATION FOR THE MUSICIANS AND FOR THE PEOPLE LIKE US THAT ENJOY YOUR MUSIC AND WILL BUY SOME OF WHAT WE LIKE IF ITS AVAILABLE KICK THE IDEA AROUND AND SOMEBODY MAY COME UP WITH A WINNER
LARRY
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 8:06 am
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My guess?
I think that there was a fascination and a preoccupation with the 'electric guitar' forty to forty-five years ago that has largely disappeared. Of course, WE'RE still obsessing about it, but the public is so accustomed to them that they're now the norm.
That would also explain why the concept of the 'guitar solo' on a hit record (discussed on this Forum recently) has lost favour.
Being from England, I regard 'Apache' as Hank Marvin (of the Shadows) material (it was written for them by their friend, Jerry Lordan), but I take your point.
When I was a boy, and was first bitten by the guitar bug in '57, EVERY record seemed to have a solo that I struggled to master. Lonnie Donegan's hits had Denny Wright or Jimmy Currie, and Rick Nelson, Elvis and the Everlys featured James Burton, Scotty Moore or Chet Atkins.
What a time it was! That's how I learned to play - listening to those guys.
Times have indeed changed, but they always do.....
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Brian Davis
From:
San Francisco, USA
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 8:53 am
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I just want to point out that Elvis Costello is a fan of country music and his earliest tunes including "Radio Sweetheart" and "Stanger in the House" feature John McFee on steel guitar. These tracks were left off the original debut album, but are available on the re-issue of My Aim is True. While he may not be a "country" artist, I would reconsider lumping him in with Justin Timberlake. Frankly, I'm surprised his name came up in this thread at all what with the wealth of other more deserving candidates.
Brian
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Dale Bessant
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Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 8:56 am
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James Taylor rules!  [This message was edited by Dale Bessant on 30 September 2003 at 09:56 AM.] |
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Harry Williams
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Duncan, Vancouver Island, BC, Canada
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 8:57 am
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It's my opinion that all who are stars are so because they deserve to be...
- you just can't get there unless you have some talent...
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 30 Sep 2003 10:42 am
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| Hear, hear, Dale - JT for ever!!!! |
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