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Gene H. Brown
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Posted 19 Mar 2003 2:05 am |
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Does anyone know what the scale is for a three hour recording session these days? Sideman and Leader if anyone knows, please and Thanks.
Gene
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If You Keep Pickin That Thing, It'll Never Heal!
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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John Macy
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Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 19 Mar 2003 7:33 am
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Here's the Nashville link. It has a calculator for budgeting an entire session. Don't forget the employer pays 10% into the pension fund plus a health benefit contribution...
http://www.afm257.org/scalerates.html [This message was edited by John Macy on 19 March 2003 at 07:35 AM.] |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 19 Mar 2003 7:41 am
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| Wage scales may be different in Whitehorse. |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 19 Mar 2003 9:54 am
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| Moved to Music section |
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Tom Olson
From:
Spokane, WA
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Posted 19 Mar 2003 2:37 pm
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Yes, I think in some parts of NWT the scale is paid in seal-skins  |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Mar 2003 4:54 pm
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Actually I'm glad I'm here in Portland.
I was reading that Nashville Scale.
We have to pay a lot less than that to record on somebody's CD.
Usually we just have to pay for our own gas and furnish a CD to get a copy of the finished product. At a discount, of course.
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Ray Montee
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Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 20 Mar 2003 9:01 am
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Well tired ole Eric...........You're obviously playing for those hi-class, uptown folks here in Portland.
I was paid ZIP for two days, four hours each, and was lead to believe I was lucky that I didn't have to pay to be on the session like you were allowed to do. I did
get 12 cd's when completed........for which
I'm indeed, grateful.
OF course, a piano was added after the session and he walked all over me, backups in particular and the engineer nearly turned me off in the final mix. I've been informed the volume thing was my fault. Then they informed us they were selling the CD's for $15.00 ea.
I likely will not be invited to be on the next one they've planned as I commented about the piano intrustions and they informed me I was mistaken. Oh well........ |
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chas smith R.I.P.
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Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2003 9:52 am
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| I likely will not be invited to be on the next one they've planned as I commented about the piano intrustions and they informed me I was mistaken. |
Better to just say "yessir, yessir" and shuffle out the door.... |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Mar 2003 12:13 pm
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Ray.
I know.. Ain't it a scream?
I rarely do recording. It's just a fight to use the old Bud to begin with since the pickups aren't isloated, and then there's the fight to have "no reverb", and "add it later". Then they want you to noodle your way through the whole damn thing. They promise they will only use "pertinant" passages, and then end up putting all the "noodling" in with the mix the whole way through.
THEN, they will express disdain that it took 8 hours to do ONE Song, and you end up telling them, "Hell, just give me twenty Bucks." and you get the hell out of there.
ONE EXCEPTION recently was Race Godson. A local guy that has gone to Nashville recently. He offered me 150$ for an hour of recording. I went over, played about that long, GOT PAID, and when we ran out of time, and didn't do a couple things quite right, I was SO IMPRESSED that I had him come over and rerecord some stuff on his Fostex. I got a free CD, and an intro to a good recording studio. REal Exception to the rule. Nice young man. I'm glad that Race "got out", and hope he does as well as Colin, Gary Bennett, D Herron, his brother in law, and a few others.
I've played on "Band Demos", and came up with a RULE early on. When they want me to "chip in" I tell them that if I need to pay money to play, I need to go home and practice until people PAY ME. ( not that I don't need the practice..)
I even object to those gigs where they "video the band", and you have to wear all the fancy crap, have lights up the butt, and can't pick your nose, hold a cigarette in your bar hand, or play stupid "shave and a haircut" tags on the end of every song...
Oh well. Such is life under the carbon arc spotlight.
Then there's the Tippy Canoe....
EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 20 March 2003 at 12:16 PM.] |
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Gene H. Brown
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Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, Canada
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Posted 20 Mar 2003 4:21 pm
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Thanks for the reponses guys. Funny you guys should mention Portland, Oregon. I was a staff musician at Gene Breedens studio in Vancouver , Washington for about 8 or 9 years and did a lot of sessions there. Gene , of course finally moved to Nashville and has two studios there now, fine man, I learned a lot from him, he's a very talented man, and a very hot Guitar Picker. Eric and Ray, please say hi to an old buddy of mine down there if you see him, Mr. Doug Jones, also a very fine man and a good friend.
Thanks
Gene H. Brown
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If You Keep Pickin That Thing, It'll Never Heal!
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Mar 2003 4:32 pm
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Gene. Will Do.
I indeed remember Ripchord. A Bunch of tunes done there, from the old Singing Logger, Buzz Martin, with Bobby Gibson on Guitar and a young Steve West on Bass ( got all three of the albums). Also Rip Edwards' old 45 " I was just walking out the door", and a wild one, Bob Machado doing one called "Sixteen Thousand Reasons." That brings back a LOT of memories. I think Gene et al put out more 45s than Colt over the years.
Also met Danny Breedon on his way thru town while he was drumming for Johnny Paycheck in about 85, as well as knowing his father in law, Oren Mcartney over the years.
Doug is one of the King Pins in our local Steel Guitar Cosa Nostra here. I'll give him your regards. I owe him a "Dinner at Guiseppes" anyhow. Hell of a player.
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Gene H. Brown
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Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, Canada
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Posted 20 Mar 2003 6:11 pm
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Hi Eric,
Thanks a bunch, and yes I remember all those guys, because I was on on their sessions either on Bass, Rythmn Guitar or Steel Guitar. I actually atarted out in that studio with Bobby Gibson, I was in the Bobby Gibson Trio for several years and when Bobby sold the studio, Bob Blum owned it for awhile and I was still staff then and then Gene Breeden, it was a fun ride.
Nice talkin at ya.
Gene
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If You Keep Pickin That Thing, It'll Never Heal!
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Mar 2003 7:37 pm
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Yup. Bobby Blum. "Heart, We're in Trouble Again"
Great song.
Later. |
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