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Topic: CMT is not country. |
Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 12:30 pm |
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CMT is not country. Its Hollywood. They always air that Crossroads garbage like the're trying to appologize for country music. Why don't they air REAL country bands?
Who are these people? Where's Ralph Emory? CMT sucks big time. |
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Ray Montee
From:
Portland, Oregon (deceased)
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 3:29 pm
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I AGREE with you!
I sincerely hope that doesn't damage your fine reputation. |
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Robbie Bossert
From:
WESCOSVILLE,PA,U.S.A.
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 4:07 pm
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Ahhhhh CMT. The one place you can go to see the crap that they're crammin' down our throats through our car radios!
Robbie |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 5:16 pm
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| My feeling exactly. Ray, I resemble that remark (and I say that without contraception). [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 01 January 2003 at 05:17 PM.] [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 01 January 2003 at 06:20 PM.] |
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Bowie Martin
From:
Wilson, NC USA 27896
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 5:29 pm
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| It seems that artist come to a crossroads when they are trying to do country.. they run into a roadblock that says either you got to go pop music, or go bluegrass. So the Faith Hills, Womacks, etc...start heading pop, and the Rhonda Vicents, Patty Loveless, etc...starting heading to bluegrass just be be able to stay "country." Seems like there is just no one even trying to market country...What is amazing is that George Strait and Allen Jackson, and a very few others seem to be able to survive in this market...sure hope I can hold on long enough to see a true country market develop. |
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Janice Brooks
From:
Pleasant Gap Pa
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 7:48 pm
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Don't look for any improvment.
MTV etc gives CMT the monopoly to major cable networks
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Janice "Busgal" Brooks
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 8:16 pm
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What we have today on the radio and on CMT is a background soundtrack for the lives of young suburban women. That's the demographic they are targeting.
Never forget that the purpose of commercial radio and television is to sell advertising. It has nothing to do with music. The music is just the bait to attract the audience (young suburban women) to attract the advertisers.
You're not going to find good music for free (unless you play it yourself). If you want to hear good country music, go to the record store and buy some. Then you'll hear exactly what you want to hear, and you won't have to put up with the ads.
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Kevin Hatton
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 1 Jan 2003 8:36 pm
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| You nailed it Bobby. Its not men's music thats for sure. Faith Hill having a wet dream. Where's my drinkin/fightin song?Sattelite radio anyone? [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 01 January 2003 at 08:36 PM.] |
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P Gleespen
From:
Toledo, OH USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2003 5:53 am
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In the words of Robbie Fulks in his loving ode to Nashville, "F**k this Town":
"Hey, this ain't country-western!
It's just soft-rock feminist crap!
And I thought they'd struck bottom back in the days of Ronnie Milsap.
Now they can't stop the flood of a**holes: there ain't a big enough ASCAP." |
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 2 Jan 2003 6:50 am
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When I first came on the Forum I was strong voiced about the demise of Country Music (still am). Then kaboom ,a while back I realized that I was part of the problem. I had stopped buying records,Tapes,CD's and resorted to listening to the radio,TV ect whatever and gripeing about Countrys disapearance. O it's gone all right but not out of sight.There are people out there still putting out good if not great country music. Take Daryl Singletary for instance.What would happen if he had a gazillion seller with his latest effort "thats why I sing this way"? If Hags latest effort from his "living room" went platnum? Alan Jackson sells kazillion and George Strait hangs in their because he sells and that gets airplay.I don't like whats happening but I still go out and fumble through the CD racks and I do find gems.CMT does not promote Country Music at least for anyone over 18. And why??? Because they are the buying market....PS there is lots of great Country music for sale on this here Forum.
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Michael Haselman
From:
St. Paul
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Posted 2 Jan 2003 8:54 am
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At least CMT airs specials, such as the Honky Tonk special, with some good steel guitar stuff. I'm stuck with GAC, which is nothing but NCS.
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Dave Birkett
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Oxnard, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2003 9:41 am
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Country music was huge here in California in the 40s, 50s and 60s largely because it was the music of the working class that migrated here during the Depression. As these folks aged and quit going to clubs, the scene slowed to a crawl.
We now have a new working class, also migrants, but this time from Mexico and Central America. And they have their own music that is played on countless AM stations and in bars and nightclubs, just like country used to be. It’s “simple” in its chord structure, has its favorite instruments—the accordion and the 12-stringed bajo sexto—is danceable and favors a fun and passionate style of singing, all much like country. It’s called Norteño which, when you think of Mexico’s geography, means, in a sense, “country”. On the local Spanish-language TV stations (not Univision or the other big networks), there are local shows which feature live singers and groups that remind me a lot of the country shows I saw as a kid.
The point here is that demographic change is killing what we call country music. It hasn’t been replaced with NCS, but with Norteño or Conjunto or whatever name it goes by in other areas.
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Michael Haselman
From:
St. Paul
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Posted 2 Jan 2003 12:14 pm
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Like the great Duke Ellington said, "there's only 2 kinds of music--good and bad."
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Theresa Galbraith
From:
Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2003 3:27 pm
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Mryron,
I agree with you!  |
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Leigh Howell
From:
Edinburgh, Scotland * R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Jan 2003 3:39 pm
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You hit the nail right on the proverbial head Myron!!!!
Leigh |
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P Gleespen
From:
Toledo, OH USA
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 3 Jan 2003 8:45 am
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"CMT is not country".
So that's why I never see Ernest Tubb on there! Thanks for the heads-up. |
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kyle reid
From:
Butte,Mt.usa
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 8:43 am
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| I think the most unfortunate thing, regarding country music [which I love!] is when its called country-western, you never hear that term on the Opry or on a legitimate country station! au |
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 8:51 am
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| You are correct Kyle....it covers everything from Roy Acuff to George Strait. How would you like to see it broken down? |
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Joe Miraglia
From:
Jamestown N.Y.
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 10:43 am
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| One of the dictionary definitions of COUNTRY is "the district outside cities and towns; rural areas". The definition of WESTERN is "toward or in the west". I definitely live in the country--probably further out than most of you--the closest place to buy a loaf of bread is six miles away. I live in Western New York so that makes me from the west--doesn't it? All types of music have different catagories--music blends. When naming different types of music they eventually seem to blend (rhythm and blues, rock and roll, AND country western). It all goes back to the roots of the type of music. Joe |
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Dave Birkett
From:
Oxnard, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 11:12 am
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| Is Bob Wills country and western? Yes. Is Bill Monroe? No. Is Buck Owens country and western? Yes. Is Martina McBride? No. |
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John Steele
From:
Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 12:32 pm
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Funny thing is, back in the days of Bob Wills and Bill Monroe, nobody was hung up on labels.
Was Emmett Miller, when backed up Tommy and Jimmy Dorsey, Jack Teagarden and Eddie Lange, still one of the "fathers of country music" ? How about Jimmy Rodgers?
-John |
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 1:03 pm
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...."Is Bob Wills country and western?... The correct answer to that is no! Bob Wills was 100% western-swing.....and would not have appreciated being classified as country & western.
[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 04 January 2003 at 01:05 PM.] |
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Dave Birkett
From:
Oxnard, CA, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 1:10 pm
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| Gene, I defer to your expertise, but my point was that "western" does have meaning. |
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 4 Jan 2003 3:39 pm
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Dave I understand, I certainly meant no offense in any way and I'm sure that you know what belongs in the various classification of today's music.
In the beginning however, the "Western" in Country & Western refered to what was known as "cowboy" music, i.e. Gene Autry, Sons of The Pioneers, etc ....music about cowboy themes in the old west.
The "country" evolved from early musicians like Jimmy Rogers, and later those who were associated with the Grand Ole Opry such as Roy Acuff.
The "western" in western-swing however came from the big-band swing music of the 1930s and 40s. The original western-swing music was essentially the same as the big-band swing music....only with different instrumentation....It was primarily instrumental dance music with a vocalist singing occasionally, but certainly not on every song, and many times not even considered necessary. Frank Sinatra can be credited with making the vocalist an important member of a band, and Tommy Duncan and Hank Thompson can probably be credited with doing the same for western-swing.
The original western-swing musicians were snobbish about being mistaken for what was back then called "hillbilly musicians" because they played many of the same instruments, Guitar players for example were overly sensitive that someone might mistake their jazz-oriented bar-chords on something like "How High the Moon", with one of those "open chord hillbilly players". Thankfully, the passage of 50 years has removed those perceptions of superiority among musicians. (it has, hasn't it)
But enough of history....music has become so homogenized since those days that it's hard to find agreement about what music belongs in what classification. Just try to get a dozen musicians to agree on what comprises "country" or "pop" or "jazz" today!
Have a good day.... Gene
[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 04 January 2003 at 03:51 PM.] |
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