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Topic: Opry TV lineup Mar 2 |
Mike Weirauch
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Posted 3 Mar 2002 7:39 pm |
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| Of course, this is my opinion. |
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Jeff Evans
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Posted 3 Mar 2002 8:48 pm
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Kyles--
(The jokes aren't as funny when I have to keep explaining them to you...)
A gratuitous "s" was added to the name of Mr. Killen in a prior post. Thus, my attempt to call attention to the error with humor, irony, and indirection.
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Jeff
'75 Emmon (Get it?) |
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Mike Weirauch
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Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 3 Mar 2002 10:12 pm
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| A gratuitous "s" was added to the name of Mr. Killen in a prior post |
......and I made it! (second mistake made in life)  |
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Dave Robbins
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Posted 4 Mar 2002 12:19 pm
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Jeff Evans
Tom Killen played his Emmons LeGrande on the TV show.
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Theresa Galbraith
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Posted 5 Mar 2002 4:05 am
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James,
I don't know if Phil will still be around in 43 years,will you? He did just celebrate his first cd going gold. He has steel on it
As Porter goes, I use to watch his TV show when I was a kid.
Who knows if I'll be around is 43 years.
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 5 Mar 2002 12:44 pm
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Myron,
I know
Thanks, Theresa |
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Dave Robbins
From:
Cottontown, Tnn. USA (deceased)
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 12:11 am
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A lot of people have used steel guitar on their records...Manhatton Transfer..Neil Diamond..even Dire Straits...but that don't make them country.
As for ol' Porter, he'll probably outlive us all! As it stands right now his career has been longer than a lot of artist have been alive and certainly a lot longer than most of the artist careers will be today.
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Mike Weirauch
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Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 7:51 am
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 7:52 am
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Time will tell
Country is subjective
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Dave Robbins
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Cottontown, Tnn. USA (deceased)
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 8:44 am
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Subjective? Naw, only in the minds of those who would prefer it were something else.
Country is country! Period. No matter how bad some people try to change it into something else.
If you don't like it don't listen to it. Instead, listen to the stuff they're trying to change it into and leave country alone.
It is amazing how some people try to change it into something else when there are so many other markets to choose from. Surely there is a radio station with rock, pop, oldies, or whatever they could find without thinking that country has to change into something that is palatible for them.
If you don't like country, go find something else instead of trying to change it into something you do like.
This is so typical of what is going on in country today. Change it into something more closely related to pop or rock and then "bitch" because of the lack of steel guitar or the sound of the steel that has to be used to fit that style of music.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. If you don't like Haggard and Jones don't listen to it! Go somewhere else, just don't try to change it.
In spite of some contrary belief, "change is not good!" As is noticed in today's current market and it's decline.
Dave[This message was edited by Dave Robbins on 06 March 2002 at 08:46 AM.] |
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Mike Weirauch
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Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 10:16 am
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sub·jec·tive (sÉ™b-jÄ•k'tÄv)
adj.
Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision.
Country music is NOT subjective, it was decided that before any of us were born. Dave is right and Theresa isn't! Calling a Cardinal a Bluejay doesn't transform it into one thus calling other types of music country does not transform it either. |
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Jeff Evans
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 10:50 am
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Or, more colloquially:
You can call a hog a duck but it still needs to stay out of the pond. --A. Alford[This message was edited by Jeff Evans on 06 March 2002 at 10:56 AM.] |
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Leigh Howell
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Edinburgh, Scotland * R.I.P.
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 11:12 am
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Mike.
You just hit the nail on the head!! That covers exactly whats going on in the country music business today!
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 2:31 pm
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George got a standing ovation because he's a legend. I saw the audience sing along with Phil and Trisha.
This topic has been talked to death. If you don't like what you hear, then lets all whine about the state of Country Music once more. End of Story!
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Eddie Lange
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 5:00 pm
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Theresa, I don't have a problem with whatever music you want to listen to. There are some good voices in new "country." I don't like this whining but, just don't label it as country, that it is not. Call it was it is.
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Dave Robbins
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Cottontown, Tnn. USA (deceased)
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Posted 6 Mar 2002 11:44 pm
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Niether Phil nor Trisha had a steel, either!
Dave |
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nick allen
From:
France
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Posted 7 Mar 2002 5:02 am
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At the risk of repeating something I may have said before  -
the point is that everyone's idea of "Traditional Country" is a) different b) evolving.
Frank Hutchinson, Carter Family, Sam McGee, Bill Monroe, Bob Wills, Flatt & Scruggs, Hank Williams, Ernest Tubb, Johnny Cash, Buck Owens, Waylon... All these people at one time were the "cutting edge" of "New Country". And most of them were criticised by "traditionalists" as "not real country".
(Wasn't it Ernest Tubb who had to fight to be allowed to use drums on the Opry? I'm sure it was Sam McGee who was told never to come back with his electric guitar...)
Personal disclaimer: I'm not crazy about a lot of the new stuff I hear either. I like Dwight Yoakam, Lee Roy Parnell, Marty Stuart, Vince Gill... but I guess they don't count as "new" or "young" any more
MY kind of country is Waylon, Bobby Bare (what's he doing these days?), Willie, Cash, Jerry Reed, Don Williams, Emmylou ... that's NOT because I think they are the only "real" or "traditional" country... It's because I'm 53 years old! Doesn't mean I don't like some music that's a lot older, and some that's a lot newer...
Listen to what you like, ignore what you don't (kind of like "live and let live"... or even "do unto others...")
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Theresa Galbraith
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Posted 7 Mar 2002 5:32 am
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Thanks Nick,
I'm not the one whining about what to call it.
Even on the Opry now they try to define every artist being announced. Our radio stations here are doing the same. It's not a problem for me, cause I listen PERIOD!
You'll hear steel on both Trisha & Phil's records Theresa |
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kyle reid
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Butte,Mt.usa
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Posted 7 Mar 2002 6:26 am
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| Hey! Someone likes LeRoy! thats one in a row! |
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Dave Robbins
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Cottontown, Tnn. USA (deceased)
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Posted 7 Mar 2002 6:28 am
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Yeah, if you can stand to listen to their records, but you won't see any steel behind them "live!"
Theresa, and I thought you were such an advocate for steel guitar! 
Dave |
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 7 Mar 2002 7:15 am
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Dave,
You can't stand to listen to any of their records? They use steel, so are you questioning me about being an advocate for steel? Maybe you aren't? I've given my review early on in this post. Maybe you need to reread. Theresa |
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Leigh Howell
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Posted 7 Mar 2002 10:30 am
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Mike.
You hit the nail right on the proverbial head! That is exactly what is going on in the country music field these days! |
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Jeff Evans
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Cowtown and The Bill Cox Outfit
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Posted 7 Mar 2002 3:42 pm
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| Nashville and Big Radio relieving themselves on our legs and calling it warm rain doesn't make it precipitation. |
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Dave Robbins
From:
Cottontown, Tnn. USA (deceased)
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Posted 7 Mar 2002 10:05 pm
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Theresa,
as I said before, that don't make 'em country! I will say that congratulations are in order to their "producers" who at least had the "smarts" to recognize that if they were going to market that stuff in "country music" they were going to have to have "steel guitar" on their recordings. The lack of any steel "on stage" is more of a reflection of how the artist feels.
As for steel itself, if it's good I listen.
As I previously posted, Manhatton Transfer, Neil Diamond, and even "Dire Straits" used steel, but that still didn't make 'em country!
I often like to listen to "Jazz" and my wife likes to listen to "oldies," but we don't expect to hear "country" on the jazz or oldies radio stations, out of "repect" for the identities of each form of music. I feel the same way about "country". When I listen to country radio I expect to hear "country" not something that sounds more akin to "rock or pop" respectively, even if it does have steel with it, (unless of course the steel work "really" knocks me out). But, if I do happen to want to listen to "pop or rock" there are plenty of stations that play it!
I will say this though, I think Trisha is one of best "female" singers out there. That still don't make her country, though!
As for "Phil", maybe if he stood still long enough I would be able to tell if he really could sing or not! Running all over the stage is better suited to a rock concert (or maybe wrestling), not the Grand Ol' Opry! Of course, that still wouldn't make him "country!"
Given a choice, I would still rather hear Connie Smith over Trisha! And whatta ya know, Connie has steel too! A great "country" singer and "steel guitar" too. It don't get no better than that. Now that's country!
Dave |
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Mike Weirauch
From:
Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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Posted 7 Mar 2002 10:30 pm
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| "Fill" is nothing more than a flash in the pan. Who were some of the artists that had hit songs two years ago? Better still, WHERE are they now? Theresa, you need to find the definitive answer to WHAT country music really is. Here's a hint, it's not subjective!!!!! |
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