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Dave Horch
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Posted 10 May 2001 6:52 pm |
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Times have changed. Follow the money. My thoughts on page one of this tread still stand.
Hey Ray - I'll be a defender of "modern 'country'" if you want one to bit@h at. Pop music is just that, pop music. Always has been. And what is selling ($) today as "country" ain't your fathers Oldsmobile, that's true. It's something that might be better called "American Pop Music" (APM) as another forumite coined it a few years ago. Move on, get over it. Find other ground.
If you were expecting old-time country on the 2001 CMA award circus, you should have known better by now.
I say let the good times roll. (Boobs and all  , just keep the steel in it).
Best, -Dave
What a bunch of grumpy old men...
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John Macy
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Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 10 May 2001 6:59 pm
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"I was told by a local old time steel player that the Mob has taken over country music and they want the steel guitar out"
Man, this thread beats the Comedy Channel by a mile...
Gotta run, I'm gonna catch a cab with Dave Horch and Theresa and go have some fun....[This message was edited by John Macy on 10 May 2001 at 08:01 PM.] [This message was edited by John Macy on 10 May 2001 at 08:01 PM.] |
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Skip Cole
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North Mississippi
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Posted 10 May 2001 7:51 pm
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Can't say much that hadn't already been said. I watched about 3 mins of the shindig, just long enough to see a fellow playing a Franklin do a few fills. He did a good job, wish I could have heard more, but it was not to be. Hang in there, folks, we still can hear a ton of steel at St. Louis in Sept. They'll have to pry my steel outa my hands to bury me, or dig that hole a little deeper.
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Amanda Ward
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Brisbane, Australia
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Posted 10 May 2001 8:27 pm
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Okay, I can't argue with anything here since we didn't even get a telcast of it here (or did we?? Hmm...) but I was just wondering.....
All the bashing of Leanne and the DC's etc etc.... I'm curious as to the lack of snide remarks regarding the Best New Male Artist........ my dad (Tony Davis) hates him.. and I was under the impression Keith Urban was kinda a dirty word around here.....
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 11 May 2001 12:37 am
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| as dave said over and over tonight on the letterman show...they're young, talented, gifted performers.....but that ain't country...call it something else!!...it ain't country.....then he made references to many real country performers, and was right on!......but that stuff ain't country...it's a halftime show!!! |
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Steve England
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Austin, TX
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Posted 11 May 2001 7:03 am
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"I was told by a local old time steel player that the Mob has taken over country music and they want the steel guitar out"
That makes sense. They could save a small fortune on concrete boots. Just handcuff us to our steels and dump us off a bridge!! |
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David Pennybaker
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Conroe, TX USA
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Posted 11 May 2001 7:08 am
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| They could save a small fortune on concrete boots. Just handcuff us to our steels and dump us off a bridge!! |
Anybody wanna buy my MSA? I suddenly feel the urge to get a Carter instead.
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Richard Plummer
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nashville tennessee
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Posted 11 May 2001 7:28 am
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Got to agree about the Leann Rimes thing.Any of you fellas seen the vide I need you.At the end of the video,it says it is off the mini series Jesus.supposibly she is supposed to be singing to God but she sure dosnt dress the part.They play her music on pop stations.I wont say on here what she dresses like,but I am pretty mad,and I will let you use your imagination.If she wants to sing a supposed song to God,she needs to remember the bible passage where Jesus says Honor your Father and Mother.He who curses father and Mother let him die the death.
Also she thinks she is such a hotsy totsy singer,if you listen when she hits some of her notes,she is throaty sounding.She tries to sound black in some of her singing.I say to her maybe she can get some voice lessons an maybe learn how to dress and maybe she will be something as a singer.I saw Trisha Yearwood come in to the place I work at night,and she has 3 times the voice that Leann does,more power and better tonal quality in my opinion. |
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Bob Hoffnar
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Posted 11 May 2001 8:51 am
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| I'm curious as to the lack of snide remarks regarding the Best New Male Artist. |
Amanda, Good point.
I was so darn ticked of at the lack of super high hairdos that the can of bud fell off my stomach ! Real country singers have high hairdos !
Bob
The general level of cognitive skills shown in these type of threads could be used by scientists as way of rebuking Darwin [This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 13 May 2001 at 04:18 PM.] |
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 11 May 2001 10:22 am
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| I think that the song that George Strait did a short while ago about "The Murder That was Committed Down On Music Row" sums it all up for me-They killed country music as I have known and loved it,and I seldom even listen to the "country" radio stations anymore-how I long for the days when you could turn the radio on and hear guys like Tony Booth,Gary Stewart,and Mel Street and gals like Tammy,Loretta,and Connie-what a shame its become-I wouldnt buy any new artists music-I stick to my old 45's and albums from the time when the country songs were for real and so were the people who sang them |
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David Pennybaker
From:
Conroe, TX USA
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Tony Chavez
From:
Belen,New Mexico,USA
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Posted 12 May 2001 8:02 am
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I was thinking.......Maybe Country Music should seperate Country Music from Pop country and call it "Alternitive Country".That way we could go our way and they could go thiers.See what Garth started!
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 12 May 2001 9:06 am
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And then one of us could become famous and turn into the anti-Garth. We could have an alter-ego that does a whole album of nothing but hard-core country songs. mmmmmmm
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Smiley Roberts
From:
Hendersonville,Tn. 37075
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Posted 12 May 2001 10:33 am
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RE: "Country Awards" 
What country??? 
I didn't bother watching either,'cause I knew what it was gonna be.
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Joe Alterio
From:
Irvington, Indiana
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Posted 12 May 2001 3:12 pm
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I am reading this thread, and the whole time I am picturing a bunch of nursing home residents waving their canes at the guy driving by blasting his music loud and complaining "turn that junk down, you whipper-snapper!".
Let me first clarify that I, too, am a fan of the old-style country music ('50s & '60s). And I rarely turn on today's country radio. Why? It doesn't sound anything like the country from 3 decades ago....NOR SHOULD IT!!! Music evolves...though people's tastes rarely do. What you grow up with is what you like....whn that changes, you oppose it.
Let's face it...today's radio sounds nothing like it did 30 years ago. The top-40 stuff in the '50s and '60s were Motown soul, British pop, doo-wop, Italian crooners and slick-haired rock n rollers. And back then, you could certinly say that the radio was playing NOTHING like it did in the '30s and '40s. As far as I can tell, today's top-40 does not have any big names from the aforementioned styles (aside from some Beatles rip-off bands like Oasis).
Cut to the '70s...pop-rock and psychedelia was replaced by Disco and heavy metal...bubblegum and Beatles were fading...by the '90s, the music scene was dominated by three-string power chords and very little talent. No doo-wop or disco (with very few one-off exceptions)....hardly any songs on the radio had "real" instruments (i.e. no drum machines or synthesizers). Those that did were branded "alternative" (though most alternative bands were, as I said, 3-chord power chord wonders).
What to do? If you love the old top-40 music, you listen to the oldies station. If you're a fan of the '30s and 40s classics, there is usually an AM station in the bigger cities to fill those tastes.
My point is, there is no way that anyone could expect the music of the '50s and '60s, regardless if it was jazz, country, rock or whatever, to not evolve and change. Sure, what is being called "country" today may not seem like country to anyone on this forum. It could easily be branded pop-rock with an occasional fiddle or steel thrown in (and a nice country accent on the vocals), thus segregating it from regular top-40 radio. But I wouldn't be surprised that 20 years from now there will be a group of steelers complaining that "today's music sounds nothing like the Dixie Chicks, Garth Brooks or Alan Jackson".
Joe
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 13 May 2001 4:23 am
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Hey retcop; You are going to have a stroke if you don't calm down.Take it easy ,less coffee and donuts instead take a few beers even if the music will not get any better the more beers you drink you won't care how Jo_dee Messina looks.Maybe even Smiley will look good to you in his br wn and yell w sh rts.
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Bill Ferguson
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Milton, FL USA
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Posted 13 May 2001 4:51 am
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"What a bunch of grumpy old men..."
Amen
Bill Ferguson
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KEVIN OWENS
From:
OLD HICKORY TN USA
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Posted 13 May 2001 2:04 pm
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KEVIN OWENS
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OLD HICKORY TN USA
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Posted 13 May 2001 2:06 pm
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What's all this reference to "grumpy old men" ? I'm 32 years old and don't have a cane or rockin' chair. Sorry if you people don't like "real" country music and yes we have a right to complain about the people who are destroying the music we love. If you like sh%#ty pop/rock music fine, but don't insult the real country fans (or real pop/rock fans for that matter) by talking about how great it is and how it's so much better than the music from the golden era of orignal playing, singing and songwriting. It's not country and not even good rock.
Money is not the main reason to play music. The love of music is the reason one should play. The best thing that could happen to country music is for the sale to continue dropping. Then maybe all the money hungry corporations / hippies will pull out and we can get back to playing country music. Independant country labels? It's already started more in Texas than in other places I would think but, it's a start.
In closing I would like to say that if the artist had as much talent and respect for country as they did for their ego then country music would be in good hands. To bad it's not.
Kevin
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Bob Hoffnar
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Austin, Tx
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Posted 13 May 2001 3:13 pm
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You guys are killing me ! I just spilled taco sauce on my favorite nascar tee shirt.
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Ken Lang
From:
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Posted 13 May 2001 6:38 pm
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I'm sitting at my desk reading the forum and cleaning up my space. There under the pile are 3 letters from the Call and Call accountancy corp. They are ballots for the recent Academy of Country Music Awards show.
Not only did I not get tickets for the show, or watch it on TV, I didn't even send in my vote. I feel a litte guilty for not voting, especially in the instrumentalist category. These people are the ones who make the music happen. The steel guitar nominees were Paul Franklin, Bill Johnson and Jay Dee Maness.
For b0b, the specialty instrument category included Jimmy Henley on banjo.
This "New" country takes a lot of the fun out of it, even for voting members.
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Ray Jenkins
From:
Gold Canyon Az. U.S.A.
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Posted 15 May 2001 5:01 am
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Let's compare real country music to the country beat.The beat goes on, that beat that "WE" love still exist and goes on,that's the beat we chose to stick with and protect,and never allow to die.The radio stations are playing a different beat,one "WE" chose not to like or accept.They are calling something country that is not country."WE" are saying it's not country.Let them move on,nothing wrong with moving on."WE" are moving on,we're simply taking our values,"The real country beat" with us.
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Gene Jones
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Posted 15 May 2001 7:36 am
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Time marches on whether we want it to or not, and change is inevitable, even in our music.
A perspective: .......40-50 years ago the musicians playing Bob Wills, Hank Thompson, Spade Cooley, west coast, et al, were saying basically the same things being said above about the music business being ruined or destroyed, only at that time they were referring to that "bunch of hillbillies with pedal steels and harmonicas playing that atrocious 3-chord crap" coming out of Nashville......and later everyone condemned the Beatles & Elvis for putting all of "us" out of work!
.......but the music so despised at that time eventually became accepted and evolved into the "greats" (Hag, Jones, George Strait, and all those admired musicians like Emmons, Hughey, Franklin)and a bunch of the guys on this very Forum.
But before anyone decides to "flame" me over these comments, I am not expressing a personal preference of music here, I am only relating what I honestly believe to be the true facts as I have seen it in this business during my 50 years in it.
I personally find it difficult to accept some of the evolutionary changes in the music of today, but I do try to be positive about it.....I wish things would always be as they were when I was comfortable with things and felt like I was "in the trend", because today I sometimes feel that I am being left behind......but I think that is the nature of life, and I have confidence that most things are for the best, and that someday these "new" artists and "new" directions in music, will be revered as we do those of our generation......
..... And when I look at my grandchildren, I hope that is the case, as I would not want them to miss feeling the joy of music as I have during my lifetime.
With respect to everyone,
Gene Jones www.genejones.com
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David Pennybaker
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Posted 15 May 2001 8:04 am
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"Things Change"
Verse 1
They wouldn’t let him play the Opry
With whiskey on his breath
And it didn’t take them long
To figure out just what they’d missed
He went down that lost highway
Underneath that purple sky
A legend disappeared before his time
Things change
Verse 2
They said he was the devil
Dressed in gold lame’
The way he shook his hips
Up there on that stage
But before that fateful day
When he left Tennessee
All of them were calling him "The King"
Things change
Verse 3
Well they like to call them hippies
Outlaws with guitars
But they brought a little country to the honky-tonks and bars
They might have got a little crazy
They might have flown a little to high
But somewhere somebody’s playing their songs tonight
Things change, don’t you know they change
Verse 4
Some say it’s too country
Some say it’s too rock and roll
But it’s just good music if you could feel it in your soul
And it doesn’t really matter
It always looks the same
Life goes on but things change
Things change
Things change
Don’t you know they change, yeah yeah yeah
Things, they keep on changing
Gonna keep on, keep on, keep on, keep on changing
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John P. Phillips
From:
Folkston, Ga. U.S.A., R.I.P.
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Posted 15 May 2001 10:58 am
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I think the TONE of the show was very unacceptable.
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If it feels good. do it.
If it feels Country,
DO IT TWICE
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