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Topic: What's Going On??? |
erik
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Posted 18 Apr 2001 11:18 pm |
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The 'Country' format station in my area is now playing 70s soft rock (Bob Seger, James Taylor, etc.) in addition to today's snore Country. |
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 19 Apr 2001 7:11 am
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| Sounds like they just noticed that it's the same kind of music. |
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Jimmy Youngblood
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Posted 19 Apr 2001 8:08 am
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Tom Olson
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Spokane, WA
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Posted 28 Apr 2001 3:43 pm
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| The manager of the radio station must have thought that by adding the soft rock, the station would bring in more listeners and would ultimately MAKE MORE MONEY. After all that's what it's all about, right? |
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David Pennybaker
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Conroe, TX USA
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erik
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Posted 28 Apr 2001 7:24 pm
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You can now add America to the list.
Tom: Country Music format is about playing Country Music. There are Lite FM, and Oldies stations to play the artists i mentioned. What it's about is lack of direction, loss of share, and searching for an audience. Why not play Alternative Country instead? Because they want to attempt to bring in revenue. So when all else fails bring in the tried and true POP oldies. Kinda like song remakes. The bottom line is it isn't Country Music... and it's a real sad situation. |
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Tom Olson
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Spokane, WA
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Posted 6 May 2001 6:04 pm
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David,
Well said -- the ones who own the radio stations are the ones who call the shots. If the ratings guru says play more soft rock then, by-Hank, that's what we'll play. It doesn't matter a hill of beans what the people on the steel guitar forum want to hear. [This message was edited by Tom Olson on 06 May 2001 at 07:05 PM.] |
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JB Arnold
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Longmont,Co,USA (deceased)
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Posted 7 May 2001 7:33 am
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The root of the evil here lies in the deregulation in the number of stations any particular entity is allowed to own in a given market. used to be the big corporations could only own 2 in any market-that allowed the smaller stations-who could get by on the smaller audience for real country-to stay around. But once that limit changed, the small guys got bought out, and the numbers they did were unacceptable for the blind bottom line mentality at the major players. That's why they all disappeared so fast. I remember a little station in Montgomery Alabama that used to have me come in occasionally and play a song or 2 live on Sundays-their audience was Truckers, Farmers, and the like-and they played real country and didi quite well, till the rules changed. They're gone now.
John
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 7 May 2001 8:30 am
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Brandin
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Newport Beach CA. USA
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Posted 7 May 2001 4:24 pm
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"It's 2001!"
So? |
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 7 May 2001 5:34 pm
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[This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 08 May 2001 at 06:29 AM.] |
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erik
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Posted 8 May 2001 2:28 am
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| Theresa, can you explain how it is relevant to play 70s Pop songs in a "2001" Country Radio rotation? [This message was edited by erik on 08 May 2001 at 03:52 AM.] |
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 8 May 2001 4:21 am
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[This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 08 May 2001 at 06:30 AM.] |
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P Gleespen
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Toledo, OH USA
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Posted 8 May 2001 4:38 am
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Theresa, I think Erik is saying that they are playing ACTUAL POP SONGS FROM THE 70s on his local country station, not that the new country songs sound like 70's pop songs.
I'm pretty sure that Bob Seger and America don't count as typical country radio fare.
The decisions of program directors are sometimes slightly less difficult to understand than hieroglyphics. One of our local "alternative rock" stations is inexplicably pushing the new (and remarkably rancid) Aerosmith record. Go figure. Maybe the local r&b/pop station will start playing Ray Price in between Britney and Shaggy!
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Theresa Galbraith
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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 8 May 2001 5:33 am
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Sorry guys, I miss read What's Going On???
Thanks for the correction. |
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Tom Olson
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Spokane, WA
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Posted 10 May 2001 9:56 pm
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| I think JB Arnold has made an extremely good point. With the bigger corporations owning the lion's share of the radio stations, they are trying to maximize profit of not just one or two stations, but many stations. Thus, the "audience" from the standpoint of the station owners is not as localized as it once was. Now, the "audience" comprises a significantly large cross-section of the public. So, in order to appeal to their "audience" the big stations play music that they think will appeal to that large cross-section. |
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David Weaver
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Aurora, CO USA
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Posted 11 May 2001 6:48 am
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This debate always confounds me. Theresa is right...it's 2001. You can buy a CD player that has outstanding quality for your office, one for your workshop, one for the bathroom and you can put one in the doghouse if you want. Each under $100.00 Better quality of sound through the speaker than anything that ever came the radio on the Opry in the old days.
Next, you can get anyone from any time on a CD. Like Jimmy Rodgers?...get his "latest" CD. Bob Wills? Digitally stereo remastered and clean as a whistle. Elvis on Sun label? 15 bucks. "Snaker" Ray, John Koerner, "Little Sun" Glover recorded in Minneapolis in the 60's....$18...$24 if you want it overnite.
If you don't like what you're hearing on the radio, don't listen to it. Technology has made the past available in full, panoramic sound. Fix yourself up and enjoy what YOU like to hear...and let the kids have their fun.
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 11 May 2001 7:23 am
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There are two "country" stations in Tampa, Fl. Both are owned by the same company and both have almost the identical play lists and many times the same songs are playing on both stations at the same time.
The stations play primarily the "modern" country. Oldies are songs from the early 90's.... |
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Joe Casey
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Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 11 May 2001 8:23 am
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In the late 80's a friend of mine who was a program director talked me into a 4 hour morning show 5 days a week and promised me no interference on what I choose to play..I opened up a Country call line actually 3 lines and they were full of people calling in. Now two rooms up from me was the sister station 101 rock and apparently the switchboard covered both AM 1600 and FM 101.To make a long story short the country people flooded the phone lines ,I had request up the yahzoo and then the GM told me to knock off the request and follow the playlist...My friend who hired me seen the numbers climb so he backed me up with the ratings sheet..Come to find out it was the Label Promo people who complained to the GM that Our turn in playlist wasn't keeping up with the system and I wasn't playing the songs they needed played..Well I certainly didn't need the Job bad enough to sit there 4 hours a day and play the crap they wanted me to play .So I used an old Paycheck line. "Take this job and shove it..The Station died a slow death about two months later and now simulcast the thunder rock of it's sister station..Moral of the story I found that it doesn't matter what the people want.It's perfectly OK to start a new market,call it modern Country..Country music is the only music that misrepresents it's name..Rock is Rock, Jazz is Jazz,Blues and so on..Country music is run by people who don't even like the name they represent..end of story. 
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David Pennybaker
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Posted 11 May 2001 8:34 am
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| Come to find out it was the Label Promo people who complained to the GM that Our turn in playlist wasn't keeping up with the system and I wasn't playing the songs they needed played.. |
Amazing, nobody wants to listen to what the FANS want to hear.
I presume it's the same way on rock and pop stations, though.
Today's radio is about promoting albums. It's rarely about letting the audience listen to a variety of songs, and decide what they like best (and then buying the album).
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Smiley Roberts
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Hendersonville,Tn. 37075
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Posted 11 May 2001 8:55 am
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How 'bout this from Jack Blanchard of "Tennessee Bird Walk" fame? (remember that one?)
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ALL TWIRL AND NO MERLE
Don't get me wrong. I like Austin City Limits, and other TV shows where the music is the thing, but the visually elaborate videos and TV shows like the awards deal last night are just:
* Eye Candy.
* All Sizzle and No Steak.
* All Hat and No Cattle.
* All Fluff and No Stuff..
* All Bark and No Bite.
* All Sale and No Soul.
* All Strings and No Fiddles.
* All Twirl and No Merle.
* As Useful As A Helium Filled Bra.
* Dazzling You With Their Footwork.
* Scams.
HEY, KIDS!!!
VIDEO IS NOT PART OF THE MUSIC!!!
Music is for the ears, and hopefully the brain. The flash is to cover up a lack of content. Fans of the new plastic country, check this out: Try listening with your eyes closed. If you still think it's great, go forth, but don't multiply.
For the acid test, close your eyes and listen to a Don Gibson record, or Roger Miller, or any of the other great country artists. Then get back to me.
The slogan for last night's awards show should be: "Admit it. We've got you fooled!".
I admit it. I don't love it.
Jack Blanchard
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David Weaver
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Posted 11 May 2001 9:14 am
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Smiley....
Here's is what has happened with popular music today...vs...what was going on when we were young.
We hear an old tune and we remember where we were and what we were doing with who. Play Red Foley and my dad is in the room. Play "Runaway" and its 1960 and I'm spinnin' the tires of my '50 Olds fastback thinkin about the girlfriend I just lost. Play Johnnie Rivers "Summer Rain" and I'm at the local beach...well...you get the idea.
Today it is not like that. Kids hear a tune and they don't think of where they were at, they see a video. The video has replace the experience we had with our music. I'm afraid something has been lost that IS an important part of music. Music today triggers a package of lights, videos, and I think the notion of dancing to "our song" or going back in our own lives through music has taken a big hit.
Is that the way you see it?
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chas smith R.I.P.
From:
Encino, CA, USA
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Posted 11 May 2001 10:13 am
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| Amazing, nobody wants to listen to what the FANS want to hear. |
It's the same kind of arrogance that our auto makers in the '70s had: "This is what the public is going to buy" and of course the Japanese came along and asked about what we wanted to buy, delivered it, and the rest is history.
The function of advertising is to create a need for something unnecessary and the beauty of creating a consumer society is they can be easily manipulated. Witness, electing an actor with alzheimers to be president. So, presumably, with enough exposure, the fans will learn to love and buy the insipid drivel that passes for country music today. |
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