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Topic: Synth guitar? on Orpy sounds like steel |
Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Posted 14 Oct 2000 8:08 pm |
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Did anyone notice the guitar player with Trisha on the Opry tonight? (Saturday 10/14). He was playing what appeared to be a synth guitar... like the Roland. He took a solo and did fills on a slow Tammy Wynette song and Wow... it was the closest "fake" steel sound I've ever heard. Complete with "bar" tremolo and a tone to die for. Played on a guitar!  We'll call that program the "Byrd" patch 
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Jim Mathis
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Overland Park, Kansas, USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 6:44 am
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| Yes, I did. I was amazed. At first I thought the cameraman was showing the guitar during a steel ride, then I realized it WAS the guitar. |
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Andy Alford
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 7:30 am
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| It sure sounded like a steel. |
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Al Marcus
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Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 9:56 am
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| Sure, right. Now they can get rid of the steel player. Bad news....al |
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bob drawbaugh
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scottsboro, al. usa
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 10:01 am
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| It did sound like a steel, but a very bad player playing it. I though his sound was very choppy between cords. At times I hear the distortion he was using to get the sound. I though his steel sound was right up there with Yearwoods singing, not that good. [This message was edited by bob drawbaugh on 15 October 2000 at 11:02 AM.] |
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Earl Erb
From:
Old Hickory Tenn
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 10:31 am
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I just think he had some string benders and his tremelo bar to do the effect.He really didn't play long enough for me to be sure.I thought the tone was pretty good.
I always thought it was too much effort to try and sound like a steel.I'll leave that up to the steel players.
Never had string benders and probably never will.  [This message was edited by Earl Erb on 15 October 2000 at 12:39 PM.] |
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Joe Casey
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Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 10:46 am
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How long before some New York Smuck producer picks up on it?//Could save a lot of space on a stage.Hmm.Welcome to modern Country. b0b may need to change to the synth Forum.
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[This message was edited by Joe Casey on 15 October 2000 at 11:47 AM.] |
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Pat Burns
From:
Branchville, N.J. USA
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 11:32 am
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 11:42 am
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Either way a smuck is a schmuck.
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CJC
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 1:02 pm
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Hi Joe,
I guess it was not a Synth, but a real human being using effects and whammy bar and his hands and heart to create the sound that he was looking for. I'm glad that they have still not found a way to synthesize the steel guitar sound!
Hey Joe.... speaking of whammy bars, remember Joe Coker at the Office Lounge??
Remember Rocky Stone? He got a great pedal steel sound on guitar.
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 1:46 pm
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Yeah Doug,Joe Coker did have that volume pedal steel lick,Rocky Stone boy you are digging in the past,I know he worked with Gilley for years then someone told me he passed away.Doc Peters had the ultimate sound when we didn't have a steel. But there is nothing like the real thing.
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CJC
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erik
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 5:23 pm
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Joe Casey,
There were keyboardists doing steel sounds on DX7s back in the 80s. Synth steel is not new. |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Posted 15 Oct 2000 6:47 pm
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| Those so called "steel" patches on keyboards sound pretty cheesy. What I heard on the Opry last night was VERY convincing. But again, it wasn't a synth... it was a guy playing the hell out of guitar. |
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Joe Casey
From:
Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 3:39 am
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Keyboard or Guitar,can you Imagine what will happen if some guy perfects an effect that does come close to sounding like a Steel? Can there be a time when electronics totally replace Musicians? They have electronic drummers,Vocal harmony machines,Right now they can make someone who can't sing a lick a star.Welcome to the modern ages.
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CJC
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Pat Burns
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Branchville, N.J. USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 4:58 am
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| Joe, they can take a pretty boy model from Madison Avenue, dress him up in a cowboy hat and call him the Marlboro Man, but you and I and everybody else knows the difference between him and the real deal...there's a mystique about the real deal that can't be replicated....same with the pedal steel guitar and the pedal steel player..they're the real deal, and the mystique around them is real, can't be replicated..IMHO of course. |
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Boomer
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Brentwood, TN USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 8:17 am
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| What Pat said. If you're confident in your talent, no one will replace what you do with what you do. They might replace the instrument, but it won't be the same. Best, Boomer |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 9:38 am
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I didn't see or hear the show but here is my take on the replacement factor.
Real Country Music will never replace a steel guitar with any similation of it.
For one; if the singer/entertainer is doing real country music than they know there is no substitution for a real steel guitar. Now if they replace a real steel guitar with any similation of; than they are not playing real country music and so I don't see real country music threatened by it.
When folks like Trisha or whoever/record company> has a guy in there covering the similation of several instruments to save space/money/convenience or simply because he can do it; Than that's just another way of taking theirselves right out of the Real Country category/and when they call it Country music>now they are liers and have to live with that and suffer the consequences>and they know it.
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Ron Shepard
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Easthampton, MA, USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 11:55 am
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| Doug, While we are on the topic, i ve heard Jim Armanti do some great steel licks on his tele. |
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Theresa Galbraith
From:
Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 1:31 pm
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| What Boomer said. |
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Theresa Galbraith
From:
Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 2:24 pm
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Ricky,
Liar never comes into the job, does it? Musicians are hired to play for there talent first, if they can cut the job? I say more power to them for being able to play what is needed. That's being a musician! Theresa[This message was edited by Theresa Galbraith on 16 October 2000 at 03:31 PM.] |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 4:42 pm
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Theresa in my opinion; it is not the job of a guitar player to play the steel guitar on his standard guitar. My point is if he is hired to do that becasue he has the talent to do so; than the folks that hire him are the liars. This is part of the conspiracy to kill real music. There is no authenticity to the instrumentation and no boundries; and therefore you obstruct the natural flow of continuing real music>so now when they categorize something; I have the question of its authenticity because of it's non defining instrumentation.
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Joe Casey
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Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 5:21 pm
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Ron Jim Armanti is one fine player,I remember him doing the steel licks but not when Dougie played with him at the Ranch. He is a very tasteful Guitar player.YRB was also a pretty good Band I thought had the new and old sound.I still play their tape to people all over.
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CJC
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Jim Smith
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Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 5:51 pm
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I finally had time to watch my tape of Saturday's show, and I'll have to agree with Bob Drawbaugh on this one. That was a very poor imitation, and he should be very embarassed to even attempt something like that on national TV, especially on a venue that at times features the very best pedal steel players in the world. 
On a slightly different note, did anyone notice the commercial during the Opry broadcast with the teenage valley girls promoting the new "Pop" sound of the new TNN "The National Network"?  
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Theresa Galbraith
From:
Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 6:02 pm
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Hey!
My husband plays guitar.If a guitar player can play what is expected why do you object? |
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Jim Smith
From:
Midlothian, TX, USA
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Posted 16 Oct 2000 6:25 pm
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Theresa, if your question is aimed at me, I'll be glad to answer. My first opportunity to hear your husband live was at St. Louis this year with Paul. He is a great guitar player, but I didn't hear him trying to play pedal steel licks on his six string in front of 3,000 steel players.
I'm sure that if he wished to play steel licks (which he probably can do) that he would do them MUCH more convincingly than what I heard on national TV on a show that (used to) specialize in traditional country music.
That was a very simple steel part in Trisha's song. Tommy White (who was very noticably absent from the show) could have played that part with his eyes closed, were he given the opportunity, as he has for countless other bands that don't carry a steel player. She should be embarassed as well for not having the real thing on this, of all shows.
Maybe he played what Trisha expected, but not what musicians and educated listeners expected and deserved. |
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