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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 8:06 am |
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As I eagerly await the arrival of a '27 Style 1 via Paul Warnik (who has been a pleasure to meet/deal with) ... I have been tryin' to learn about these by readin' the archieves ...
One point that kept coming up was the construction of the necks ...
Are they "Metal Clad" wood .... ???
Hollow (ala Weissys)... ???
Depends on the year ... ????
The past posts are alittle confusing on this topic and I am just interested in learnin' ...
Thanks ...
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www.horseshoemagnets.com[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 11 February 2003 at 01:29 PM.] |
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Ron Randall
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 10:09 am
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Rick,
Do you have Bob Brozman's book?
If not, check out his website and order the book. Almost 300 pages of facts, figures and pictures.
I also have a 1927 Hawaiian style 2.5 that I bought from Paul. 1927 was the first year of production.
The headstock and neck is a solid chunk of mahogony. The neck extends down inside the metal body to about the 10th fret.
Enjoy and be a good guardian. These 1927 models were surely touched by the masters during construction. You own one of the first resonator guitars ever built!
National has new cone sets available for about $90. Check their website also.
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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 10:17 am
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Thanks Ron ... I will order that book ...
I have always wanted one ... but was always afraid of buyin' one from a stranger ...
I know my way around Rickys pretty well ... so Ebay was "the ticket" for them ... but I know next to nothin' about resonator guitars ...
I have read Pauls posts for years ... and thought that it was "now or never" ... after seein' that he only had one left ...
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Russ Young
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Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 10:44 am
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Rick: Congratulations, and welcome to the club. (Or is it "the family?" Maybe both?)
I know what you mean about buying something so expensive from a stranger, but Paul is a real straight shooter. I've been delighted with the 1931 Model 1.5 I bought from him a few months ago.
I'm hoping that you'll soon know as much about tricones as you do about Bakelite Ricks, so I can e-mail you for advice. Buying Bob Brozman's book is a good way to start. |
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Paul Warnik
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Illinois,USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 10:45 am
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Thanks you guys  Rick your guitar went out today! Ron is correct about the wood going through inside the otherwise hollow metal neck |
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mikey
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New Jersey
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 8:22 pm
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my late '28 has a HOLLOW METAL neck....with just a wooden rectangular rod that the headstock turns into and runs down against the fretboard and attaches inside the body...I know for sure, because last week I cleaned out the dust inside the body, polished the cones and while I was in there I got out the flashlight and dental mirror,,,besides that rod, my neck is hollow...(and I found Broz's book to not really get into the actual construction of the old squarenecks...the necks themselves...everything else is pretty thouroughly covered, tho, highly recommended)...
Mike
PS: How you going to tune that '27, Rick? |
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2003 9:05 pm
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I was hopin' you would reply ... reading the archieves I saw you were tunin' to C6.
I'm just a one tunin' player .. C6/A7 ....
I saw you used an 016 .018 .... then some heavy gauge G's and E's ...
Is that what you suggest for this tunin' with this tricone ?
I was hopin' for a hollow neck ...
This is real fun ... a new experience.[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 28 January 2003 at 09:10 PM.] |
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2003 3:39 pm
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| It should be noted that not all Hawaiian (square neck) National Tri-cone vintage guitars have the metal necks with the "flow through" body design-The model 97 (Surfer Girl) the Model M-3 Hawaii (yellowish "piano grain" paint on steel body) and at least one Style #1 (that I formerly owned) came originally with wooden square necks |
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2003 5:16 pm
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Anticipation ... 
So I guess my original question was valid ???
Can I tap on the neck to tell ????
Those carpenters have been workin' on my log cabin for almost a year now... maybe I'll go borrow their "Stud Finder" ...
No jokes please .... |
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Ron Randall
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Dallas, Texas, USA
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Posted 29 Jan 2003 10:20 pm
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Rick,
Yes, your original question is valid. I think the best way to tell is like mikey did. When I changed cones, I vacuum cleaned all inside, and used a flashlight to look up the metal neck.
You will love it. I have been studying the history of these rascals. You and I own low serial number 1927 models. The early 1927 tricones have plywood wells for the cones. Later, the wells were made from metal. The tail stocks changed after about #500. The Tricone went through lots of improvements for the musician, and lots of economic changes for the manufacturer. Materials changed, the backs of the guitars were later arched (mine is flat) the amount of engraving was reduced on the style 2, on and on.
Play it and love it for what it is.
Ron |
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 31 Jan 2003 6:36 am
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Well, the trackin' info says "Out for Delivery" ... so as I stare out the window waiting for "Brown" ...
I'm thinkin' of tryin' a new tunin' .... kinda of a Sol Hoopii meets JB thing :
Lo to Hi
A C# E A C E
I can use those dobro string sets ... I keep the familiarity of my C6/A7 melody strings ... and I get that big major chord sound on strings 3-6 ...
At least my bluegrass buddies will be happy to see that 6th go .... although I may not be able to do without my favorite 1-4 reverse slant position ....
I can here 'em now ...
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Zat some sorta new fangled, space age dobro
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www.horseshoemagnets.com[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 11 February 2003 at 01:32 PM.] |
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Gerald Ross
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Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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Posted 31 Jan 2003 6:58 am
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Rick,
I use a C6 tuning on my 1928 Style II National Tricone (CEGACE). I use the same gauge strings as on my Bakelite Rick (.36 .30 .24 .22 .18 .15). These gauges are heavy enough to drive the cones.
The .22 is plain on the tricone. On my Rick I have to substitute a .24 wound for this string (too flabby due to shorter scale).
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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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mikey
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New Jersey
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Posted 31 Jan 2003 9:22 am
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That would be a good tuning for you on a Tri-cone...big A major on the bottom with your regular melody strings...easy to change keys (and play backup w/ "that weird Dobro from space!"( that is what bluegrassers will say) and still know where everything is on the fretboard...Also I have found on playing acoustic w/ wound bronze strings, those Red Rajah bars really get rid of the string noise(but I use a wound A, w/the first 3 plain any bar should be fine...
Aloha,
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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Rick Aiello
From:
Berryville, VA USA
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Posted 31 Jan 2003 2:39 pm
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To quote Mr. Krabs ....
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Holy Mother of Pearl !!!
I didn't know what I was expecting ... but it wasn't this ...
Granted, my only experience with acoustic steels is an OMI Dobro that I got in the mid 80's and a Superior Weissy ...
But this is a MUSEUM piece that sounds unlike anything I've ever heard ....
So Rich ... SO MUCH sustain ... and the harmonics ring out forever ....
OUTSTANDING ... thanks so much Paul ....
Now I'm convinced I was born about 50 yrs too late ... makes me proud that I've become involved in reviving some of the "tools of this time period" ...
PS... That A/Am tunin' ain't too shabby ....
I'm just use to comin' in for a landing on string 2 ... but now I gotta remember to go to string 3 for the I chord.
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www.horseshoemagnets.com[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 11 February 2003 at 01:31 PM.] |
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Paul Warnik
From:
Illinois,USA
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Posted 31 Jan 2003 8:03 pm
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| Another Satisfied Customer |
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Aaron Balano
From:
San Anselmo, Ca
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Posted 31 Jan 2003 8:39 pm
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This is a little off topic, but...has any one played a new squareneck National? Are the necks still hollow? Brozman claims after a few months they will rival the old ones. True? Does any one have one with a pickup in it? I am considering buying a tricone and am wondering new vs old. Thanks
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Jesse Pearson
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San Diego , CA
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Posted 31 Jan 2003 9:09 pm
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| Good for you Rick, you earned it bro! How about posting a few pics of your new baby and an audio sample? Right on with the Right on's ... |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 31 Jan 2003 9:16 pm
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Congratulations on your newest purchase, Rick.
Paul, from what I've seen on the forums, you've turned out some beautiful pieces at reasonable prices. I wouldn't hesitate to buy from you. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
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Posted 1 Feb 2003 4:04 am
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Paul and I have owned several of each other's instruments over the years  , and currently I have and play a Model 55 California Dobro from 1928 I got from Paul. A primo piece of vintage guitardom. With Paul Warnik, buy without fear.
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Herb's Steel Guitar Pages
Texas Steel Guitar Association
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HowardR
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Posted 1 Feb 2003 4:59 am
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| I'm just use to comin' in for a landing on string 2 |
would a string pull on string 2, a half step up, not remedy that?[This message was edited by HowardR on 01 February 2003 at 05:00 AM.] |
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Rick Aiello
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Berryville, VA USA
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Rick Aiello
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Jesse Pearson
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Posted 1 Feb 2003 8:37 am
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| One big happy family, that's what it's all about. Thanks for the pics...! |
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