A Xmas Turnaround for C6th

Don McClellan · From: California/Thailand

If you don't have the knee lever that raises your A string to Bb you can get that chord elsewhere. Don



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Andy Volk · From: Boston, MA

Don, what are the names of the notes in your turn around, please?

Lefty Schrage · From: West Union, Iowa, USA

Hey Don, I really like this!...my 'cup of tea' as they say. I know I can use it in the future. ...Lefty

Don McClellan · From: California/Thailand

Andy, I play a B6th but I post in C6th so that others can get it and I'm always a little confused. But I think I can figure it out for you. I guess its written in Eb.
The notes in the first chord,(non-root) EbMaj7, are G(3rd) in the base then Bb(5) then D(maj7) (going from low to high).Or I guess you could look at it as a Gm (1,b3,5). the next chord is F#m13 - F#, A and Eb. Then Fm7 - F, G# and Eb. Then Emaj7 and resolving on EbMaj7. I hope this helps, Don

Paul Graupp · From: Macon Ga USA

Don: I guess you learn something every day on the Forum. Gene Jones and I thought we were the only two guys who played a B6th setup and like you, when we post, we do so in a C6th manner.

Awhile back I posted some tab about a Joaquin Murphy intro and it was a job putting it into C6th positions but I can still do it.

Don't do it in TAB (e-mail if you like) but if you get a chance, I'd like to know how you came to the key of B or as I sometimes joke around a bit, the key of Cb and how long you've been there. I even mentioned it in Pedal Steel recently under the 22P vs 22W thread but no one caught it.

Best Regards, Paul

Don McClellan · From: California/Thailand

Paul, I play B6th because I went from E9 to E9/B6 universal many years ago and now I've taken the E9 pulls off and I'm playing an 11 string B6th. My first string is C#, my 2nd string F# then Eb, B, G#, F#, Eb, B, G#, E, B. I took off the high G# string. It really doesn't fit in with the B6th sound (for me).
B6th has some advantages over C6th as I see it. First, it is nice to have C at the first fret instead of the open position. And, all the positions match the E neck which is why I think B6th should be more common.

[This message was edited by Don McClellan on 22 December 2001 at 01:16 PM.]

Andy Volk · From: Boston, MA

Don, thanks for taking time to reply; much appreciated!

Jeff Lampert · From: queens, new york city

Don,
Another good run. I'd consider it an F#dim7, not F#m13. Even though the chord isn't complete (none of them are), the dynamics of the progression lead me to believe that it is a diminished. Also, even with the missing F note, I would consider the Gm to be a Gm7, since I think that that is the role it plays in the progression. I realize these are tricky points, since these chords are incomplete, but I tend to fill in the missing spots with my expectations, anticipated bass notes, etc. And by the way, I play an 11-string C6, with a D as my 1st string, and G as my 2nd.

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 20 December 2001 at 09:30 PM.]

Don McClellan · From: California/Thailand

Hey guys,
I found a couple more ways to do this turnaround. First, you can play the 7th string instead of the 10th string which is nice.
Or you can do this in G.



3___7(-1/2)___6(+1/2)__5(7)___5(7)_____4(7)


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5___7_________6________5______5________4


6___7 ________6________5______5(6)_____4(6)

I like keeping runs like this on the same strings if I can.
You can use the first string instead of the pedal 7 if you want to.
The tablature section of this wonderful Forum appears to be the least contributed to. Doesn't that strike you as odd? Isn't it a shame?

Paul Graupp · From: Macon Ga USA

Now that one I know I'm going to be using tonight, Don !!

About this being the lowest part of the Forum when it comes to contributions, I'd have to agree that that is sad. But on the other hand it is also the most difficult of tasks and that may be the reason why.

When I was writing for Fretts way back when, we wanted to do a comparison of Danny Boy as performed on both necks. E9th by Jimmy Day and the 6th by Reece Anderson. Up until then I had never seen a fully scripted song anywhere, just some notes on napkins or whatever we used to describe a run to each other. Where to put pedal references and fret numbers was anybodies guess so I just did it. I don't know if that was the first tab ever published or not; I've never thought of asking but maybe it was. The year was 67 to the best of my memory.

Regards, Paul

[This message was edited by Paul Graupp on 21 December 2001 at 07:08 AM.]

Don McClellan · From: California/Thailand

Here's yet another way to do this (in C) that is very easy and requires only one pedal. (sorry, I bought some strong coffee)



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Try this with the example above. After playing the 2nd chord and while it is still ringing pick string 3 (with the knee lever that lowers it enguaged) Then, after playing the 4th chord at fret 8 (and while its still ringing), pick string 5 and let the whole thing ring while sliding back to fret 7. That sounds good too.

This might be the easiest way to do this and still maintain the desending chromatic bass line:



5________6-1/2___5


6___7____6-1/2___5____8---7


7___7____6_______5____8---7


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[This message was edited by Don McClellan on 22 December 2001 at 01:13 PM.]

[This message was edited by Don McClellan on 22 December 2001 at 01:19 PM.]

Steve Benzian · From: Burlingame, CA USA

Don, I think there are a couple of reasons why there aren't many posts here. First, it's hard work. Second, people are timid.

Also, you need sound to make the tab meaningful. If there was a link to a sound file for each of the tabs the popularity would increase. More work! I keep hoping someone will do it.

Jeff Lampert · From: queens, new york city

I ran a couple of posts on some theory related to a couple of runs that Don posted, but there weren't any takers. So I'll just kick in a contribution here. It's a lick in Eb, a transition chord run with a 7-note decending bass line, and some interesting dissonance. It requires that you DON'T raise the 8th string with the 4th string, else the dissonance and moving bass line won't work.

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[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 25 December 2001 at 08:51 PM.]

Don McClellan · From: California/Thailand

Jeff, Thanks for your comments and contriputions. I always learn something from your posts. This time, however, I'm having trouble making this run you've posted work. Is it a turnaround or should it be played against a different type of chord movement? How many beats should each chord get?

Jeff Lampert · From: queens, new york city

I redid the lick so that it matches the melody of the last line in the verse of White Christmas. Just time the lick to the song. I also included the chords. Don't forget, the 8th string cannot move with the 4th string pull.

1__Am7b5___Abm6___Gm7__F#7b9____Fm7_____E7b9_________Eb6__________________________


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10__And___may_____all___your_____Christmas’s_____be____white______________________

Don McClellan · From: California/Thailand

Thanks again Jeff, I got it now. The chord on the 8th fret is better now. This is real nice.

Jeff Lampert · From: queens, new york city

By the way, if you want to play more complete 7b9 chords, you can do it this way. I tried various combinations of notes, but I thought the simple 3 note voicing was the most effective in bringing out the dissonance that naturally exists in a 7b9. If the dissonance is too severe, you can dilute it with additional notes. In the context ofn this lick, I like it best lean. Personal taste.

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