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Topic: D10 copedent - switch from Jack Stoner to Emmons? |
Jimmy Moreland
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Maine, USA
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Posted 8 Feb 2025 1:42 pm |
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Hey folks, relative newbie here. Diving in with my wonderful Remington D10 I got from Damir Besic, and I'm considering making some adjustments to the copedent on both necks.
Here's what I have - I've highlighted in red things I have seen on Emmons copedent charts that I currently lack.
On the E9, that missing G#--F# RKL on 6 seems easy enough to add. Will be curious to see how hard it will be to change my Carter Starter to match (it currently has a B-Bb RKL and a simple D#-D RKR).
The C6 setup looks like Jack Stoner's copedent. Mike Jones also has an E-D# on 2, though RKL/RKR are swapped, as appears to be common.
Adding the D+D# on P8 should be simple enough. I'm curious if I'll be missing that C+C# RKR that I see on the Emmons copedent, though.
Any advice for a guy with ~6 intensive months on E9 looking to dive into C6? I'm more inclined toward western swing, but versatility is always good. Considering doing the Franklin course. Thanks!
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Greg Vincent
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Folsom, CA USA
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Posted 8 Feb 2025 2:17 pm
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| That G# down to F# is a fun change, but can be dependent upon string gauge, and likely will not work if you use a wound 6th. |
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Craig A Davidson
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Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 8 Feb 2025 2:58 pm
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Check and see if you aren't already raising string 7 instead of lowering 6. Some guitars are set up that way. The diagram indicates no. Carter Starters aren't meant for changing things.
On the back neck I lower the 3rd string on RKL and raise the 4th on RKR. That's just me. The rest of it looks like basic C6.
One thing you can do, and I mean no ill by this, would be to take what you have and master that.There is more than enough there to keep you busy for a couple days.
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Dave Magram
From:
San Jose, California, USA
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Posted 8 Feb 2025 10:09 pm
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| Craig A Davidson wrote: |
| There is more than enough there to keep you busy for a couple days. |
Craig,
I agree with you.
But, was that a typo?
I would think that "a couple decades" of busy-ness would be more accurate. 
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Andrew Frost
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Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 9 Feb 2025 5:05 am
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| I've never had that string 6 whole tone drop. That effect can be attained somewhat with creative use of the C pedal, back two frets, and I prefer that approach. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 9 Feb 2025 6:08 am
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| Andrew Frost wrote: |
| I've never had that string 6 whole tone drop. That effect can be attained somewhat with creative use of the C pedal, back two frets, and I prefer that approach. |
But, it is also good for getting the same sound in the no pedals position as letting off the A pedal in the pedals down position. I use it that way.
Also works with E to D# lever to give you a B chord (open) or two frets down from the pedals down position. It gives melodic movement on string 6. If you split it with the B pedal, you get a 4 note spread, F#-G-G#-A. Lots of string movement possibilities. Letting of the lever gives a Bsus4 chord.
You can't do any of that going down two frets with the C pedal.
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Andrew Frost
From:
Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 9 Feb 2025 10:30 am
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Yea, definitely Richard. Also good for a nice Emin9 combined with B pedal on strings 8/7/6/5/4, an altered F# dominant chord with B pedal & sting 5 lowered on 7/6/5/4, as well as countless unison and contrary motion phrases.
I was speaking more to the low hanging fruit aspect of that change. |
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Steve Cattermole
From:
California, USA
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Posted 9 Feb 2025 11:38 am
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| As far as C6 goes your pedals look good, but the knee levers are lacking. My LKL raises string 3 and 7 C-C#. My LKV lowers str 4 and 8 a half step. My LKR raises str 2 and 6 a half step. My RKL raises string 4 and 8 A-Bb-B. My RKR lowers str 3 C-B. You should check out Herb Steiners web site, his C6 chord essay shows all the chords you can get with the pedals and knee levers and combinations, really helpful when you,re starting. Good Luck |
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