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Topic: Tuning a square neck up a step. Different strings needed? |
David DeLoach
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Posted 1 Dec 2024 10:16 am |
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I'm going to do a recording and need to tune my square neck resonator up a step...
from G-B-D-G-B-D
to A-C#-E-A-C#-E
Would different string gauges be needed? I'll only have it tuned up a step for 1 day.
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Howard Parker
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Posted 1 Dec 2024 10:30 am
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hmmm...
Why?
In answer to your specific question you_can_try. Depending on your specific choice of string gauges.
Good luck!
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David DeLoach
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2024 11:26 am
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| Howard Parker wrote: |
Why?
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I need the open strings in key of A for some open string hammer ons and pull offs.
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Howard Parker
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Posted 1 Dec 2024 11:39 am
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Capo?
I'm assuming the the hammer-ons/pulls possibilities in G tuning (key of A) sans capo doesn't fit the tune. |
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David DeLoach
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2024 11:47 am
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| Howard Parker wrote: |
Capo?
I'm assuming the the hammer-ons/pulls possibilities in G tuning (key of A) sans capo doesn't fit the tune. |
Correct - I need the open strings in A for the hammer ons and pulls offs. trying this in G tuning won't work.
Don't want to use a capo because I'm also going up to the 17th fret for some licks and my resonator tends to loose a bit of tone way up high (would rather avoid using a capo on the 2nd fret and then having to play at the 19th fret).
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Howard Parker
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Posted 1 Dec 2024 11:57 am
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Well,
You have nothing to lose except strings (assuming a spider bridge). You can't hurt anything by trying, except for maybe a string.
I do recall rarely tuning my hi-D to E and it worked about 60% of the time but, only with a fresh string. I've never tuned the rest of the neck up a full step.
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David DeLoach
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2024 3:23 pm
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Found this on the ResoHangOut forum...
Am I mistaken that using heavier gauge strings (e.g. an 0.18 for the 1st string) would INCREASE the tension on the sting & instrument vs. decreasing the tension??
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Mike Neer
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Posted 1 Dec 2024 5:36 pm
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It’s hard to know without string gauges. Sometimes strings can get choked out when they are too taut. I’m guessing if this was a legit dobro set for G tuning that bringing it up to A might be tough. Give it a try, you’ll find out one way or the other.
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K Maul
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Posted 2 Dec 2024 5:35 am
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What gauges are you using for G? If it’s 16-18-26-36-46-56 I think tuning it up a step just for the session would be ok. Anything heavier could be a problem.
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Marc Muller
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Neptune,NJ USA
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Posted 2 Dec 2024 5:39 am
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| Just use a capo. Up on the 2nd or tune guitar up 1/2 step and put on the 1st if it's an issue. No one will be able to tell any difference so long as you play in tune and in time. |
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David DeLoach
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 2 Dec 2024 5:57 am
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| Marc Muller wrote: |
| Just use a capo. Up on the 2nd or tune guitar up 1/2 step and put on the 1st if it's an issue. No one will be able to tell any difference so long as you play in tune and in time. |
I tried a couple different capos. Maybe its just me, or my instrument (1980 RQ Jone square neck), but with the capo I get some weird overtones.
But I did resolve the issue. I'm modulating from the key of A to the key of G for the resonator solo and then back to the key of A. Doing this actually enhances the tune. 
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Mike Neer
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Posted 2 Dec 2024 7:19 am
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| David DeLoach wrote: |
But I did resolve the issue. I'm modulating from the key of A to the key of G for the resonator solo and then back to the key of A. Doing this actually enhances the tune. |
This is problem-solving skills. Congratulations!
I do feel like capo is the best answer when you don't have the ability to change the arrangement. Charlie's Slide pro capos are really nice. I also have an old Beard capo that works well and is easy to put on/take off.
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