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Topic: Three amps? |
Roger Rettig
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Posted 2 Oct 2024 4:02 am |
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I normally run through a TT12 with the 'line out' going to the input on my Roland 80XL. That gives me the minimal effects that I like to hear.
I have just acquired a TT15. The jury's out at present regarding my preference for the 12 or 15 but, for now, I thought I'd try linking all three as follows:
Steel to VP to TT12, then line-out into the TT15, and then to the Roland.
My only question (before I fire it up) is -
Am I doing anything dangerous?
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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ajm
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Los Angeles
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Posted 2 Oct 2024 8:57 am
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It's hard to say, but you're probably good.
Just don't connect any SPEAKER outputs to SIGNAL LEVEL inputs.
What are you trying to accomplish?
If it's a wet/dry/wet set up with 3 amps, use this video for some ideas.
They have a HUGE pedal board, but I believe that you could actually use one or two.
Or, forget the pedals and set own your pedals and amps' reverbs and delays to taste.
It's slightly over an hour, but you can FFW through it if you don't have the time and/or patience.
Be sure to listen through headphones.
Note that they start out using 3 half stacks (which might be overkill for your average VFW club gig).
However, at about 53:00 they run the signal through 3 inexpensive Roland Micro Cubes.
Go to about 1:00:00 for a summary.
Note that the kids focus a lot on dirty tones throughout, but there are a few spots where there are cleans. They are worth searching out.
So you could theoretically use 3 of any old amps that you have around, provided that the phasing of the speakers were all in sync between them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_dGFNnjvA8&ab_channel=AndyWoodMusic |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 2 Oct 2024 9:05 am
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Thanks, ajm!!
I've only just got the TT15 (traded for a Jazzmaster that I liked but, since getting a Super 400, it became redundant) and, as yet, can't decide which I prefer - the 12 or the 15.
My right ear is blocked at present, so any comparisons are a compromise.
As I was tidying up my music space, the idea of setting the 15 behind me occurred to me. It's not that it's loud (although it could be!), it's just very full. Now it's only me - no gigs, no bandmates - I figured: "Why not?"
I will listen to the link at dialysis this afternoon.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 8:40 am
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I like the TT12 a lot but it's a bit small for stage use, so I got a TT15 cabinet, loaded it with an 8-ohm JBL K130 and that's where the ToneBlock lives. The two cabs work really well as a stack but I mostly only use the TT12 speaker for practice and rehearsals, etc. with a Quilter SuperBlock US instead of the 202. Using the "65" tone stack and "NORMAL" cab sim position it easily duplicates the knob settings and sound of my Fender tube amps without the bulk and weight or the rattly reverb tank. The TT12 cabinet is easy to handle and pack and I can fit the SuperBlock and it's 24v power suppy into a pair of small Crown Royal bags stashed in the seat.
BTW while Quilter's SuperBlocks can be powered with a pedalboard's 9vdc power supply, for pedal steel guitar it is essential to use the 24vdc power supply that comes with it. With considerably less than half the voltage there is really no usable headroom or speaker output when operating a SuperBlock at 9 volts, while at 24 volts I can set my input gain at 9 and master output at 10 and it is golden. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 9:41 am
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I'm somewhat surprised to discover that, while the TT15 works well (and, doubtless, allows more headroom in a stage-setting), I have finally established that I prefer the TT12.
Since my playing-days are over (I'm now a full-time source of irritation to our neighbours), what I'm hearing in my music-room is all that matters.
I shall, in due course, part company with the TT15. As good an amp as it is, it's surplus to my requirements.
Dave:
I only have the 202 permanently hooked up in the TT 12 cabinet. I have never been aware of the 9 vs 24 vdc (?), so I was a bit baffled by your closing paragraph.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 11:12 am
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| Roger Rettig wrote: |
I'm somewhat surprised to discover that, while the TT15 works well (and, doubtless, allows more headroom in a stage-setting), I have finally established that I prefer the TT12.
Dave:
I only have the 202 permanently hooked up in the TT 12 cabinet. I have never been aware of the 9 vs 24 vdc (?), so I was a bit baffled by your closing paragraph. |
I like the Eminence TT12 speaker in the Quilter cabinet, but doesn't move enough air for my current performance venues. I found the TT15 speaker to be heavy on the mids and lacking in the highs, but the JBL 15" works nicely in that cabinet and the 8 ohm load is more practical for multiple speaker setups.
The comment about 24 volt power supply is in regards to Quilter's SuperBlock series, not the ToneBlock 202. Hope that clears it up. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 11:28 am
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Perfectly - thanks, Dave.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 12:12 pm
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Guitar-VP-Amp In-Line Out-Amp In-Line Out-Amp In
Is that your configuration for the 3-amp experiment?
That amounts to re-amping the first amp twice, and I would think there would be some signal degradation.
I would acquire an ABC box. That way you get the true combined tones of all 3. Which would probably sound quite awesome even at bedroom levels 😎 |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 12:21 pm
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That's what I did, Fred.
It sounds big, but there's some hum.
I will explore that option, but I think the TT15 is going to be sold.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Brett Lanier
From:
Madison, TN
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Posted 7 Oct 2024 11:10 am
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I hooked all 4 of these amps up one time, just for fun. I split the signal with a Flint pedal, then split those two lines with a radial ABY and an active vol pedal that has two output, set wide open. I like to run delay in mono, because a lot of the time they’ll displace the dry tone too, making one side louder. So the way I do it is I first make sure all the amps are in phase with each other, split it with a stereo reverb, then fix the ground loops.
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Dave Hopping
From:
Aurora, Colorado
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Posted 8 Oct 2024 7:34 am
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A propos of nothing whatever, Fender advertised back in the '70s that Ted Nugent's stage backline was SIX Super Twins, each one atop a Dual Showman cab.  |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 8 Oct 2024 7:56 am
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I don't much care for Mr Nugent, but that sounds like an effective strategy for being heard.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 8 Oct 2024 11:42 pm
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| Dave Hopping wrote: |
| A propos of nothing whatever, Fender advertised back in the '70s that Ted Nugent's stage backline was SIX Super Twins, each one atop a Dual Showman cab. |
When Nugent played at the Alaska State Fair twenty years ago he had six Marshall stacks on stage but the rig he actually played through was a Peavey 2x12 tube combo hidden behind the curtains. Authentic fakery. |
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