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Topic: SHOJI: New Steel Guitar Brand from Japan |
Per Berner
From: Skovde, Sweden
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Posted 29 Sep 2024 10:45 am
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Regular 6-string guitar fretboards without markers are logical – most of the time you don't see them when you play, so the tiny side dots will do just fine. Also, holding a guitar neck in your hand involves a lot of muscle memory, helping you to find your way among the frets.
For a steel guitar I think fret markers are way more important, and should be easy to see (=biggish) and differentiate. What about roman numerals?
Also, if you want to be different, why not an oil&wax wood finish instead of the mica? And a metal logo. Would add much more perceived value than the actual cost. |
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John Larson
From: Pennsyltucky, USA
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Posted 29 Sep 2024 11:27 am
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Toshiyuki Shoji wrote: |
You guys have too much insight on steel guitars.
I am currently looking into fingerboard designs.
I had a stereotype of steel guitars having marks on the fingerboard.
I like the look of a fine guitar like Collings or Marchione without the position marks.
So I decided to keep only the dot mark on the 1st string side, which was used in Excel, and to eliminate the large mark.
I have found that some people like the large position markings in color, so if you have any suggestions, please let me know.
The black and white steel was made using leftover formica from my time at Excel.
I don't know if this same formica is available now, but I can make steel with the various formica the manufacturer has in stock.
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I like the offset dots from the perspective of being able to see when playing high up where your hand covers the markers. On most guitars where there are no markers they still have side dots on the neck to see where you are. _________________ Rejoice in the Lord, O ye righteous; praise is meet for the upright. Give praise to the Lord with the harp, chant unto Him with the ten-stringed psaltery. Sing unto Him a new song, chant well unto Him with jubilation. For the word of the Lord is true, and all His works are in faithfulness. The Lord loveth mercy and judgement; the earth is full of the mercy of the Lord.
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Toshiyuki Shoji
From: Japan
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Posted 29 Sep 2024 5:38 pm
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Thanks everyone for your input. It is very helpful.
I will explain why Excel uses all-aluminum cabinet and why I am continuing that specification.
I understand that many people prefer steel guitars with beautiful wood cabinets.
We have built steel guitars with wood cabinet in the past in Excel as well.
However, if the climate was too different from that of Japan, such as in extremely cold or very dry desert areas where the players live, the cabinets would sometimes warp or, in the worst case, crack.
We decided to use all-aluminum cabinet after much trial and error so that our customers can use our steel guitars with confidence after purchase.
All-aluminum cabinet are unbreakable in changing climates and have the advantage of minor cabinet drop. |
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Bob Hoffnar
From: Austin, Tx
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Posted 29 Sep 2024 6:47 pm
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I say keep it basic and simple. Focus on the sound and reliability. Those little dot fret markers are elegant looking and functional. Very very nice. I think you should be true to your personal vision and not take the advice from us fussy and opinionated steel players very seriously.
Looking forward to seeing how things develop. I'm always on the lookout for a steel i can fly with. _________________ Bob |
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Toshiyuki Shoji
From: Japan
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Posted 29 Sep 2024 6:58 pm
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Thank you Bob.
To the extent I can, I will give my customers more options. |
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Dave Stagner
From: Minnesota, USA
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Posted 1 Oct 2024 11:44 am
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This is very exciting! It feels like a completely modern, state of the art instrument.
I like the offset small dot fret markers myself. It reminds me of the minimal fret markers used on some acoustic guitars. And I love how the carbon fiber pedals look! _________________ I don’t believe in pixie dust, but I believe in magic.
1967 ZB D-10
1990 OMI Dobro
Recording King lap steel with Certano benders |
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Marco Schouten
From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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Posted 2 Oct 2024 4:54 am
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Those dots in the shape of a Japanese cherry blossom, that would be nice. _________________ ----------------------------------
JCH SD-10 with BL XR-16 pickup, Sho-Bud Volume Pedal, Evidence Audio Lyric HG cables, Quilter Steelaire combo |
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John Larson
From: Pennsyltucky, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2024 12:27 pm
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Marco Schouten wrote: |
Those dots in the shape of a Japanese cherry blossom, that would be nice. |
I'm thinking like the size of the Franklin spiders. _________________ Rejoice in the Lord, O ye righteous; praise is meet for the upright. Give praise to the Lord with the harp, chant unto Him with the ten-stringed psaltery. Sing unto Him a new song, chant well unto Him with jubilation. For the word of the Lord is true, and all His works are in faithfulness. The Lord loveth mercy and judgement; the earth is full of the mercy of the Lord.
- Psalm 33:1-5 |
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Lynn Kasdorf
From: Waterford Virginia, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2024 4:04 pm
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Personally, I'd like to see the Shoji logo as markers, (without the word Shoji) offset near the top, like the dots. Ideally, colored and backlit. _________________ "You call that thing a guitar?" |
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Toshiyuki Shoji
From: Japan
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Posted 3 Oct 2024 8:20 pm
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If I can find a supplier and a stable supply of materials, I will also allow customers to choose titanium pedal rods.
With the joint installed, the stainless steel pedal rod weighs 87g and the titanium one 54g.
The material cost of titanium is 7 to 10 times that of stainless steel.
Each looks almost identical.
It is up to all of you to decide whether you are willing to pay for this slight difference in weight.
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Lynn Kasdorf
From: Waterford Virginia, USA
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Posted 4 Oct 2024 1:21 pm
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Toshiyuki Shoji wrote: |
If I can find a supplier and a stable supply of materials, I will also allow customers to choose titanium pedal rods.
With the joint installed, the stainless steel pedal rod weighs 87g and the titanium one 54g.
The material cost of titanium is 7 to 10 times that of stainless steel.
Each looks almost identical.
It is up to all of you to decide whether you are willing to pay for this slight difference in weight.
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For 8 pedals, that is a difference of 9.3 oz. Not a big deal and probably not worth the extra cost. _________________ "You call that thing a guitar?" |
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W. C. Edgar
From: Iowa City Iowa, Madison CT, Nashville, Austin, Phoenix
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Posted 4 Oct 2024 5:12 pm
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Dude!
I'm impressed _________________ First owner of Steelseat.com
1980 Sho-Bud Pro II & 1977 Sho-Bud Pro l
Lawrence 610 Pickups
1979 Peavey LTD
1980 Peavey Nashville 400
Goodrich L-120
Toured with Tim McGraw, Alan Jackson, Ty England & more |
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J D Sauser
From: Wellington, Florida
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Posted 5 Oct 2024 11:07 am
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I am thrilled to see the brand go into a new generation!
Congratulations and Success!... J-D. _________________ __________________________________________________________
Was it JFK who said: Ask Not What TAB Can Do For You - Rather Ask Yourself "What Would B.B. King Do?"
A Little Mental Health Warning:
Tablature KILLS SKILLS.
The uses of Tablature is addictive and has been linked to reduced musical fertility.
Those who produce Tablature did never use it.
I say it humorously, but I mean it. |
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Joe Bill Moad
From: Oklahoma
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 2:11 am
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Ok
Gentleman I should not have posted this. I pm’Ed the guy and emailed him with no response that I saw thinking that he did not think I warranted a return note from him. Any way shape or form I know I am definately right on what I posted. I just hate to see American labor and Capitolism taken away with any product that is starting up from anywhere outside the boundaries of our Great Country.
Jbm _________________ Don’t Worry About The Mule! Load The Wagon! |
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Joe Bill Moad
From: Oklahoma
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 2:20 am
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Also
I am a Native American for everyone’s information. I am not racist. I noticed that Sierra posted their or what their new prices would be. This is just a way for a couple of men out of 30,000 on this forum to show their ideas when in America we have the right to differ on any subject. As said in previous post, I shouldn’t have posted this at all. I just get tired of seeing it posted at the top every week or few days is all my difference is.
Ibm _________________ Don’t Worry About The Mule! Load The Wagon! |
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Joe A. Roberts
From: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 2:37 am
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…who said ignorance is bliss? seems miserable |
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Toshiyuki Shoji
From: Japan
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 2:37 am
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Hi Joe
I received your email at 8:08 a.m. Japan time on September 24, and sent you a reply at 9:01 a.m. the same day.
It is possible that my email is in your spam folder.
I am certain you have not read my reply to you, so I will send you another email.
Thank you.
Toshiyuki |
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Stew Crookes
From: Paris, France
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 3:18 am
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Wonderful looking steels Toshi! It's great to see the Excel "DNA" will continue to move forward in innovative hands.
I love my Robostar, and when I'm in the market for my next steel, yours will certainly be at the very top of my list
Wishing you much success! _________________ Music mixer, producer and pedal steel guitarist
stewcrookes.com |
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Toshiyuki Shoji
From: Japan
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 3:23 am
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Hi Stew
Thank you!
You are the first person in the world to buy a Robostar. |
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Stew Crookes
From: Paris, France
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 3:43 am
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Toshiyuki Shoji wrote: |
Hi Stew
Thank you!
You are the first person in the world to buy a Robostar. |
That's amazing! I knew I had to be one of the first - I was bothering Mitsuo on and off for a couple years to make me an SGI model like he used to make in the 80's and he never exactly said yes, but also never fully said no either...
Eventually he emailed to say he had developed something better so I immediately ordered one before even seeing a picture.
It's a fantastic guitar - sounds great, the tuning is incredibly stable and I've easily put 1000 hours on it already and have not broken a string! _________________ Music mixer, producer and pedal steel guitarist
stewcrookes.com |
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Toshiyuki Shoji
From: Japan
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 4:03 am
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We have received emails from time to time from people wanting older SGI models.
But Mitsuo would reply that they couldn't make it.
At that time, we received a repair request from a Japanese customer for a model similar to the SGI named trainer.
Mitsuo was so impressed by playing an instrument he built himself decades ago that he wanted to develop Robostar.
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K Maul
From: Hadley, NY/Hobe Sound, FL
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 10:42 am
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Toshiyuki Shoji wrote: |
Hi Joe
I received your email at 8:08 a.m. Japan time on September 24, and sent you a reply at 9:01 a.m. the same day.
It is possible that my email is in your spam folder.
I am certain you have not read my reply to you, so I will send you another email.
Thank you.
Toshiyuki |
And we thank YOU, sir - for taking the “high road” on this matter. If that guy had actually read in detail he would know that your operation is not ready to start manufacturing and that is the reason why prices have not yet been published.
I could go on about things but the admin probably will delete those parts of this post. Why bother getting into all THAT? _________________ KEVIN MAUL: Airline, Beard, Clinesmith, Donner, Evans, Excel, Fender, Fluger, GFI, Gibson, Hilton, Ibanez, Justice, K+K, Live Strings, MOYO, National, Oahu, Peterson, Quilter, Rickenbacher, Sho~Bud, Supro, TC, Ultimate, VHT, Williams, X-otic, Yamaha, ZKing. |
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Lee Baucum
From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 11:08 am
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Lots of videos (with pedal steel guitar) from Japan here:
https://youtube.com/@wildwoodroses?si=lYblzRpm2qI_XLeY
Be sure to click on Videos at the top of the page. _________________ Lee, from South Texas - Down On The Rio Grande
There are only two options as I see it.
Either I'm right, or there is a sinister conspiracy to conceal the fact that I'm right.
Williams Keyless S-10, BMI S-10, Evans FET-500LV, Fender Steel King, 2 Roland Cube 80XL's,
Sarno FreeLoader, Goodrich Passive Volume Pedals, Vintage ACE Pack-A-Seat |
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Sonny Jenkins
From: Texas Masonic Retirement Center,,,Arlington Tx
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 12:00 pm
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I've known and had considerable communication with Toshi for quite some time,,,and KNOWN about this new start up from the beginning,,,,I have found him to be one of the most straight up, humble, old school Japanese respectable people I've ever known. I hate to hear anyone bad mouth him,,,,and KNOW for sure he takes it personally and is deeply hurt by it. He just happens to live in another part of the world,,,,and is an exceptional, precision oriented steel guitar builder (and player!!!!). The world is a lot smaller now than it was in WWII !!!!!
Imports from foreign countrys pay their tariffs.
If Toshi can get the backing and support he deserves he will be a MAJOR player in the PSG industry |
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Toshiyuki Shoji
From: Japan
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Posted 6 Oct 2024 5:44 pm
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As a practical matter, not many pedal steel guitar builders and players are young.
I don't want pedal steel guitars to become a relic of the past.
I would like to inherit the pedal steel guitar developed by a great American pioneer and eventually pass it on to the next generation.
Both Mitsuo and I are people who are fascinated by it.
It is a bad habit of Japanese people not to make excuses or refute.
I admit that it is taking time for me to buy all the production equipment for my factory and to determine the price.
In Japan, it's difficult to set up your own company and borrow money while being employed by a company.
I also need capital for my company to get a loan.
When I was working for Excel, the preparation I could do was to develop my prototypes and build my factory.
I am in the process of negotiating prices with my suppliers to ensure that my steel guitar prices are not excessively expensive.
I must avoid taking orders unprepared, making them unprofitable and causing the project to fail.
I have received many inquiries and expectations from many people. I apologize for the inconvenience, but please wait for a while now.
Thank you
Toshiyuki |
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