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Topic: Novice question : S10 vs D10 vs Universal |
James Quillian
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San Antonio, Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Sep 2024 1:51 pm |
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I am a non-pro steel player. The reason, I play a D-10 is because I haven't found a thing I truly like that I can't play on it. Also, It is much easier to get advice and instruction with a D10. Since I don't play gigs, for me, the weight of a D10 doesn't matter. I think the most important consideration is how it will be used and what you end up playing on it. Like, what would you do with a D10 that you would use a D13 to accomplish?
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Tim Toberer
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Nebraska, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2024 5:05 am Re: Novice question : S10 vs D10 vs Universal
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Hi Folks,
I am new to pedal steel (long time guitar player though) and have found a nice clean Carter D10 for $2800. I think that's a good deal from looking at previous sales here. I like the C6 "sound" and the reason I am interested in PSG is Western swing and Jazz. Regardless, I have a lot to learn on any neck !
So, here's the question...
What approach would you take to buying your first pedal steel(let's assume I buy a solid make/model)?
1) Keep it simple, buy a less expensive S10 E9 and see how the pedal steel journey goes
2) Buy a heavier and more expensive D10 so I can learn the C6 neck and the kind of music I aspire to play. I am concerned I will never use one of the necks and will waste money.
3) Buy a more expensive Universal, since I have no neck/pedal/KL bias yet, and get the best of both worlds in terms of harmonization
Thanks in advance !
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Have you played any C6 or E13 lap steel? I have no idea how "new" to this you are, but if you haven't listened to Tom Morrell or Vance Terry you owe it to yourself to check these guys out. Western swing is mostly non-pedal guitar music in my mind. When I first decided I wanted to play steel guitar I was also inspired by the Western swing and Jazz sounds I was hearing and also a longtime guitar player. I was shocked to learn that most of what I was hearing was played without pedals on 8 strings.
You could spend a little time on an 8 or 10 string non pedal guitar and get your brain thinking steel, play around with tunings etc. After a while of playing you will surely know better which road you want to travel. If you really want those crying country sounds and more complex jazz chords, you will want to make the jump to pedals. I did! I think If I would have started on D10 or a U12 I might have given up in frustration by now. There will always be guitars for sale. |
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Paul Mageau
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Maine, USA
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Posted 9 Sep 2024 6:41 am
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James Q,
Your logic makes sense. I will not likely be carrying this thing around so weight should not be the top priority.
The appeal of a single neck is just that...it's a single neck. I am not learning two different tunings and grips. That said, you make another good point which is finding instruction is easier for a S10 or D10.
The last thing is that it seems that S12's resale will be hampered by the "confusing/complicated number of strings" stigma. They just don't seem to sell as fast on the forum(if at all) as a S10 or D10.
I started down this road looking for student models and was guided to get a pro instrument to start with so the instrument would be inspiring and not get in the way due to shoddy mechanics and it's resale value will be better. This is advice I give to others when buying regular guitars, so others advice makes sense to me. That said, perhaps a used, affordable solid student model like the GFI S10 SM would be a good starter steel. If I really get into pedal steel, no doubt I will be upgrading. Who knows, certainly not me haha.
Thanks again everyone for your advice ! |
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