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Topic: 10 pedal D10's |
Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 17 Aug 2024 7:03 am |
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First pro guitar in the 80s Emmons p/p basketweave had 10 pedals. Played the guitar for about 10 years.
Bought a Derby early, mid 90s had 10 pedals. Later dropped 2 of them.
Also played an MCI with 10 pedals for a few years. |
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scott murray
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Asheville, NC
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Posted 17 Aug 2024 2:10 pm
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I have a LeGrande 3 and a JCH, both with 10x12. I owned a couple other JCHs as well, one with 10x8 and another with 10x10
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scott murray
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Asheville, NC
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Posted 17 Aug 2024 7:04 pm
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worth mentioning some of the great players who used a 10-pedal setup...
Jimmie Crawford of course was a proponent of 10x10, and built several guitars that way.. both JCH and Emmons. the 10th pedal would function on both necks, providing a "bonus" change on E9
Curly Chalker played 10x6 I believe
Buddy Cage played 10x14 for many years, D-10 and D-12
Julian Tharpe played a 14-string with 10x6
Weldon Myrick devised a 12-pedal setup in the early 60s but quickly abandoned it
Vance Terry's two-tiered setup gave him 19 pedals in all (!!!) on a D-11
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J D Sauser
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Wellington, Florida
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 5:22 am
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Since PF's 4th E9th pedal one seems to see some 9P guitars around.
With changers now raising 3, 4 or even 5 times and lowering at least 3 times, and mechanics having turned the page on the Bigsby and early ShoBud contraptions and the ones copying them, I don't see that there would be anything mechanically impeding 10P and a and still a seriously confusing number of levers.
Even back in the 70's one would see guitars with 8P and "Crawford Clusters" with 10K.
... J-D
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 6:10 am
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| J D Sauser wrote: |
Since PF's 4th E9th pedal one seems to see some 9P guitars around.
With changers now raising 3, 4 or even 5 times and lowering at least 3 times, and mechanics having turned the page on the Bigsby and early ShoBud contraptions and the ones copying them, I don't see that there would be anything mechanically impeding 10P and a and still a seriously confusing number of levers.
Even back in the 70's one would see guitars with 8P and "Crawford Clusters" with 10K.
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I could really live with 8 knees, as its pretty rare that I grab the stagger'd KL. I remember when I ordered my first Pro lll, you kind of got what they gave you, or maybe I knew so little I didn't know to ask  ... We/I don't live in 3x5 land anymore, and not being Randy Beavers need a little help getting some of the things I want to get. Adding pedals or levers just is easier mentally than giving up any of what you already have. My standard E9 is like most, though on my RKL where I raise both 1&2, and 7, I also raise 9. I never cared for the B-Bb on the vertical and thought it awkward so moved it just to the left of the A pedal. I never liked the combination of the 6 whole lower with the 1&2 raise lever, so put that on the Vertical where I also lower 9 either a half or a whole. To the left of my B-Bb pedal I also have a pedal that lowers both 6&9 a half, (the Beavers Change) So now on the floor there are 2 pedals left of A; 6&9 half lower and B-Bb. You can play those first 2 pedals as a pair and each one pedal move to the right you can play everything in 2 pedal pairings. So if I was Randy, or had a more thorough understanding of music, 8x5 would work just dandy, but that ship has sailed and I've really gotten to like what I have.
And I'd still love to have another 10 pedal guitar and not have to share any pedals with the C6th neck. 10 pedals accomplishes that. 
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Roger Rettig
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Naples, FL
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 8:12 am
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It's worth considering that modern all-pull guitars will accommodate 'double duty' pedals.
My P4 (on C6th) raises 10, 6 and lowers 2; it easily allows me to move strings 5 and 6 on E9th as well.
Another case-in-point is my P7 - it does what it's expected to do on C6 (raises 3 and 4), but it also raises my E9th 5th string to a D. It's an easy double-foot coming off the V/P to engage it.
I don't have an E9th function on P5, but I easily could. It's only moving three strings now.
I do have six KLs on E9 and five on C6.
This reminds me of the early days, well before the knee-lever concept was even considered; guitars had more and more pedals (certainly 10 wasn't uncommon) until KLs lessened the need for more than eight.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 8:22 am
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Ten-pedal guitars, Dale? We know of at least one, don't we?
Here's a photo from two months ago; I'm at Junior Mercer's place - the maroon guitar (10) is Scott's (he's posing with me), the wood-grain guitar is Junior's (it used to be Jimmie's!) and the dark blue JCH WAS Junior's but was mine later that day.
Three JCHs in one room, two with 10 pedals. My blue one is 8+9 which covers all I need.
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 10:20 am
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Before Big Jim Murphy passed he lived his last several years here in Texas and I took care of ALL his pedal Steels and EVERY ONE had 10 pedals and 8 knee levers.
He had ZB Custom.
Sho~bud barrel tuning "PRO~II"
Sho~bud "Dick Miller custom build Pro~II Custom you can see me playing it as Pot Leaf on front.
Bethal pedal Steel.
Here's a few pics and his Basic 10 ped 8 knee copedent; I LOVED how he had his C6 pedal locations; played so cool after you get used to where everything is and made way more since than regular Emmons set up.
I miss Murph so much.
Ricky
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scott murray
From:
Asheville, NC
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 11:02 am
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yes I forgot about Murph having 10 pedals and here's a shot of Terry Bethel on a 10-pedal Sho-Bud, though I believe he scaled back to 9 at some point
two of my favorite players too.
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 18 Aug 2024 11:46 am
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Mike Jones too I believe.
I can use 9 pretty well, but the way I arrange my rear neck pedals I really don't need 10. As many of us have discovered, really 8 is enough.
So, my arrangement is pretty much standard C6 with the common pedal 8 at #4 position. Put the 4th string raise a whole with a half stop on RKL. I could put 8 on there too but I just don't use that pull much.
Lower 8 & 9 to G and E on pedal 8 for big power chords or any other reason you might want a 1,3,5 triad or those particular notes on the bottom. Some guys do their Travis picking with this change.
Pedal 9 is where the Franklin pedal B to A lowers go for right footing, used in conjuction with lower 6 a whole tone on a RKL.
On my Fender Artist, I'm trying to be more efficient and have the raise 4 +/++ on the RKL, and modified the E9 side LKV so's I can use it for the reverse pedal 6 change. I could still use another KL somewhere for the C changes, but really, it's not a must for me. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 19 Aug 2024 3:28 am
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Jerry:
I'm intrigued by you 'lower 8 and 9' concept!
I may have to rethink things on my upcoming new guitar.
I will return those strings today and see what I can get!
Thanks.
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles and Martins - and, at last, a Gibson Super 400!
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