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Topic: question on pulls |
Savell
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Slocomb, AL
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Posted 29 Jul 2024 6:48 pm |
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richard burton
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 6:38 am
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Check that the nut rollers are free to rotate
Tighten the'lower'return springs slightly (assuming it's an all pull steel) |
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Jim Palenscar
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Oceanside, Calif, USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 7:25 am
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| Make sure there is free play in all changes at rest or you might never get it to stay in tune. |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 7:46 am
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| Your friend seems like a nice guy. Ask him what kind of guitar it is so I can visualize the sitch better. |
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Dan Beller-McKenna
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Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 9:50 am
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Make sure the pedal stop is locked down. Don’t ask me how I know this can be a problem.  |
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Clyde Mattocks
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Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 11:05 am
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Check for a loose or cracking bellcrank.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 3:36 pm
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A cracked bell crank did that to me. Eventually it failed altogether, so if that's the answer replace it asap
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Dan Beller-McKenna
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Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 4:01 pm
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| If I am understanding the original post correctly, both the tenth and the fifth string are not pulling correctly, so it would have to be two bellcranks failing simultaneously. That seems unlikely. |
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Mike DiAlesandro
From:
Kent, Ohio
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 5:19 pm
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| Make sure there is free play in all changes at rest or you might never get it to stay in tune. |
+1 |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 5:45 pm
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| Yup, a bunch of things are possible. Also review Jon Light's sticky thread on over/under-tuning, which can result from the lack of slack/free-play Jim mentions. |
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Bobby D. Jones
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West Virginia, USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2024 8:19 pm
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Since nothing has been said about the tuning changing while the guitar is at home woodshedding.
Something about the location on the stage, Either heat or cold is changing something. Something is either shortening or Getting longer in the pull chain, Or binding When exposed to the stage conditions.
Maybe the only way to find the problem is have the guitar in same conditions as on stage.
Good Luck in finding the problem and a good cure for the problem. |
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Savell
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Slocomb, AL
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Posted 31 Jul 2024 6:47 am
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Savell
From:
Slocomb, AL
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Posted 1 Aug 2024 2:29 pm
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 1 Aug 2024 11:19 pm
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I admit to thinking of the A pedal in isolation and forgetting that the C might be indirectly involved.
There is the additional snag with investigating this kind of contact problem, that gravity being what is, it can appear/disappear when you upend it on the bench.
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John Hyland
From:
South Australia
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Posted 2 Aug 2024 1:11 am
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| If both strings are affected then that eliminates things which affect only one string. Ie, connecting rod, nylon tuners nut rollers and bellcranks. As it also affects more than one pedal so that eliminates the cross rod. That leaves the fingers. I have no answer but look carefully there. Are things returning as they should? Maybe they just need a lube and a clean. |
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Savell
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Slocomb, AL
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Posted 2 Aug 2024 7:48 am
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 7 Aug 2024 10:14 pm
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The problem with crisscrossed pull rods Can cause many problems and be hard to find. When you turn a guitar upside down to check underneath, Long pull rods can curve opposite of when guitar is upright, Just by weight of the rods changing their position.
If the guitar has some age on it, About the only cure to the problem is pull the changers and clean every piece, and lube. So no drag occurs in the changer. |
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Larry Jamieson
From:
Walton, NY USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2024 5:45 am
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| That is one beautiful old "Bub" you have there, and I have it on good authority that red guitars sound better... |
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 8 Aug 2024 6:24 am
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| Bobby D. Jones wrote: |
The problem with crisscrossed pull rods Can cause many problems and be hard to find. When you turn a guitar upside down to check underneath, Long pull rods can curve opposite of when guitar is upright, Just by weight of the rods changing their position.
If the guitar has some age on it, About the only cure to the problem is pull the changers and clean every piece, and lube. So no drag occurs in the changer. |
Yep. I fold up a towel and lay it on the pedals. That makes it much more comfortable when you're on your back, under the guitar. I have a little light that is perfect for setting up next to me, shining up on the underbelly of the guitar.
IF YOU ARE USING TOOLS, DON'T LIE (LAY?) DIRECTLY UNDER THE SPOT YOU ARE WORKING ON! (Don't ask me how I came up with that suggestion...)
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Rick Grieco
From:
Long Island, New York, USA
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Posted 8 Aug 2024 8:34 am
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It's funny that this thread popped up today.
Last night, I went to play my Justice S10 (after not being able to play for a few months) and when I pressed the A pedal, the 5th string would raise but the 10th wasn't raising at all. I gave Ron Anderson a call this morning, and he said it sounds like the nylon nut isn't tightening. He suggested I take it off and turn it around, and sure enough, the 10th string was raising again. He said that would be a temporary fix to get me going and is sending me new nylon nuts to replace it.
This is one of the reasons I chose to have Ron build me a guitar...he is an amazing builder and is an absolute pleasure to work with...a classy guy all around!
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