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Topic: What does "locked to a grid" mean? |
steve takacs
From: beijing, china via pittsburgh (deceased)
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 1:36 am
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Mark, thanks for putting that information into something even I could understand. stevet |
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Michael Hummel
From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 9:02 am
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All of us living in a major metropolitan area know what "gridlock" is when driving to work in the morning...
_________________ MSA Classic 5+4
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Rick Myrland
From: New Orleans
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 9:15 am
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So they're making better recordings, but I have to question if they're making better music. I reckon less than 1% of listeners (those being hyper-aware musicians) can tell if a misplaced note or arrant symbol strike is buried inside a 3-minute song.
I also wonder if this trend towards over-engineered recordings is why you rarely find albums recorded before live before an audience. Seems they hit their peak in the 70's or 80's. _________________ Mullen G2; Fender Tone Master Twin Reverb; Goodrich L-120 |
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Tony Prior
From: Charlotte NC
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 10:20 am
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well, coming from ANALOG days myself, my sister and husband were producers in NY and had a few high charting records.
I had been present plenty of times when the engineer did a splice/edit and found it was useless as the slice METER was too far off from the track.
Not all analog slices were johnny on the spot...I used to observe many sessions back in the tape days where the engineer was mandating the drummer and bass players play to a click. That was the GRID.... _________________ Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders , Eastman Mandolin ,
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website
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Les Cargill
From: Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 10:30 am
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I use MIDI "keydrums" all the time, and I'll quantize things frequently. It's not hard to leave an errant strike in to fool the musicians.
I've also noticed that I can use a quantized drum part instead of a click to get the groove established, then play non-quantized stuff on top of that so it can breathe a bit. I am just no drummer.
If I did anything that mattered, I'd use a drummer. If nothing else, I can personally recommend Pat Bautz for fly-in drum parts. He's the new Floyd Sneed. |
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Clete Ritta
From: San Antonio, Texas
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 9:03 pm
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Another useful technique to avoid the robotic stiffness of fully quantizing midi drum parts to a grid is to use percentage. In Logic for example, after choosing say 16ths as the grid, enable the advanced quantizing features, select Q-strength and lower it from 100 to 60 (or whatever feels right). This leaves some of the natural human error factor in the rhythm. The grid is still there, but the feel isn't completely removed. This is just one of the many techniques used to achieve a realistic (played by a carbon-based life form) sound while locked to the grid. |
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chris ivey
From: california (deceased)
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Posted 19 Jan 2015 11:56 pm
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it's too bad everyone can't strive for and embrace
(and reward) good musicianship.
yeah yeah..i know it may not be cost effective.. and of course, what is art, if not cost effective, photoshopped and digitally perfect? (answer below)
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John Macy
From: Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 20 Jan 2015 2:48 pm
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This is one the into our tracking room.
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Rockport, TX
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Charlie McDonald
From: out of the blue
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Posted 20 Jan 2015 3:36 pm
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Depends on how you look at it. |
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Bill C. Buntin
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Posted 20 Jan 2015 5:46 pm
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Hey Steve T, check your pm and email.
Thanks
Bill |
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Michael Haselman
From: St. Paul
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Posted 20 Jan 2015 6:24 pm
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After reading all this, to paraphrase a rap song from the movie "Office Space," Damn, it feels good to be a jazz fan. About the only genre left where you really can't use all this technology. _________________ Mullen RP D10, Peavey NV112, Hilton volume. Hound Dog reso. Piles of other stuff. |
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Bud Harger
From: Belton, Texas by way of Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Posted 1 Apr 2024 2:25 pm Wow!
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These people are so smart.
bUd _________________ bUd
1969 Emmons D-10 8f/4k; Evans Amps. |
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John Larson
From: Pennsyltucky, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2024 5:37 pm Re: What does
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Rick Myrland wrote: |
I was reading an article about a Nashville producer who commented (in relation to a recording session) "...the drums were locked to a grid." What does this mean? |
The death of good music. Quantized, soulless, yuck. _________________ Rejoice in the Lord, O ye righteous; praise is meet for the upright. Give praise to the Lord with the harp, chant unto Him with the ten-stringed psaltery. Sing unto Him a new song, chant well unto Him with jubilation. For the word of the Lord is true, and all His works are in faithfulness. The Lord loveth mercy and judgement; the earth is full of the mercy of the Lord.
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 2 Apr 2024 4:48 am
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I see it as kind of a "paint by numbers" thing that's been fixed by Photoshop. After all, who needs good looks when you've got Photoshop, and who needs musical talent when you have endless audio technology.
"Dont worry about it, Leo. Yeah, Mona's smile is a little crooked, but we can fix it after you're done."
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Brian Spratt
From: Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2024 12:28 pm
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It is also possible to lock a grid TO your drum track, instead of the other way around. You can do this in Ableton, not sure about other DAWs. I've done this with, for example, Pink Floyd tracks where the tempo is variable and set by the drummer on a live take. Then you snap the grid TO the drum track (it takes a little effort, but its not that hard)... then you can still sequence MIDI and other things that work best on a grid along with a variable-tempo real drum track. |
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Landon Johnson
From: Washington, USA
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Posted 9 Apr 2024 12:49 pm
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Using a grid also allows for things like addition of effects 'automatically' on stage. Look at it as a master track which manages not only the drums but also the automation on the mixing board, the stage lighting, even the fx settings on individual instruments/keyboard patches via MIDI. Also any recording equipment would be synced and automated.
And I remember when it was the bees knees to have SMPTE code.
In the studio I l;ove the tech, but onstage I prefer old-school... plug and play! _________________ 1989 Mullen PRP SD-10, 2021 Williams S-10, Quilter TT-12. |
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Bud Harger
From: Belton, Texas by way of Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Posted 9 Apr 2024 4:43 pm Wow!
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All of these people are so smart.
bUd _________________ bUd
1969 Emmons D-10 8f/4k; Evans Amps. |
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