Question for LeGrande III owners

Marty Broussard · From: Broussard, Louisiana, USA

When you press the A-pedal raising the 5th and 10th string does the counterforce raise the 6th string back to pitch?

Thank you
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Roger Rettig · From: Naples, FL

This isn't much help, Marty but here goes...

Your question prompted me to do a test on my D10 LG111.

When I pressed the A pedal, the 6th dropped about 10-12 HZs.

The disclaimer is, however, that I have a dim memory that some tech or other once disabled my counterforce saying that "..you don't need it and it'll make things feel better'. He was right about the action but today's demo suggests that it was maybe of some use.

Having said all that, I have good ears and I can't hear that 'drop' when I'm playing. Maybe I 'play' it into tune after so many years or maybe it's insignificant.

PS: How can I tell if my C/F is fully-functional or, in fact, has been disabled?
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john buffington · From: Owasso OK - USA

Marty -
On mine it does bring the 6th string back to pitch and the B pedal brings the E's back on pitch, that is what I love about the LG III's.

George Webb · From: Mississauga, Ont, CAN

Hi Marty,

The counterforce on a Legrande III is adjustable. It works by applying a force to the center of the changer.

Each of the A, B and C pedals is connected to one rod that applies the force. They are each connected by a compression spring and adjustable collar.

So ... to your quesion ... you can adjust the amount that the 6th string is raised with the A pedal, yes. You can even adjust it to be higher in pitch than it should be.

Bear in mind that you are adjusting the drop of all the strings at the same time, and you may not want to bring the 6th string to perfect pitch.

My preference in adjusting the amount of force is not to come back to perfect pitch, but rather imitate the lower cabinet drop of my P/P. That way both my Legrande III and P/P have a similar feel.

George

Marty Broussard · From: Broussard, Louisiana, USA

Thanks folks!!
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Ron Pruter · From: Arizona, USA

How much do you feel(in the pedal) the extra tension being added? Probably at the end of the throw:yes/no? RP
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Kelcey ONeil · From: Sevierville, TN

Marty,
I shipped out an LL3 service job today, and to answer your question; yes, the counterforce does work. I didn't check the A pedal drop on the 6th string, but I did the C pedal; you have about 10 cents drop without the counterforce engaged, and none with it adjusted.

I don't know where the bad press comes from about the counterforce making the action terrible, it is not noticeable at all if the proper springs are used on the counterforce pull rod. It's true the action would be very clunky without them, but I've so far never seen one without them.

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Marty Broussard · From: Broussard, Louisiana, USA

Thank you Kelcey!!
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Greg Derksen · From: Alberta, Canada

I just tested it Marty

You can hear the 6th string drop a wee bit then it gets corrected to pitch after the
A pedal is fully pressed,

Really works well, My other guitar is a Franklin which is pretty slick and easy to play
and I can go between it and the LL3 , no problem, pedal action is really good,

Greg

Marty Broussard · From: Broussard, Louisiana, USA

Thank you for all of your responses. I know that I can add a compensator or tune the 6th string sharper if needed, but this is one of those questions that pops up while I'm staring at the ceiling when I can't sleep. LoL

Thanks again for all of your responses.
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