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Jeff Peterson
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Nashville, TN USA
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Posted 29 Mar 2023 12:43 pm |
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This was always interesting to me, as I seem to have different views compared to what seems the advice on the forum nowadays. OK, I've given myself away as to my generation just by saying the former. Yup, been around awhile, but do have a fairly extensive history with the instrument that I usually hold back sheer opinions about 'cause I'm an ornery sob...came with age.
Everyone seems to revere the 'golden age' of steel and rightfully so, but if you really listen, them dang steel players are walking all over, not just the vocals, but all lead players. Why weren't they immediately tossed from the band?..easy, check the volume changes and phrases they played. Remember the mixes live are what they were playing, not studio mixed perfect level masters. I love hearing live cuts because they really show what the steel/guitar/piano players were doing, and the poor fool that had to try to mix that live was more that a little stressed I'm sure.
I got to work with one of the best live mixing engineers ever, Lynn Peterzell for years and I know what the burden of 'overplaying musicians' layed on him. He had to differentiate between..'is it in?..or out..live. He was sooo good, and I miss him for sure..God Bless him.
My experience is that of course you pick your spots, but, playing along is not 'stepping on' an artist or other player. I've gotten stepped on and ripped off equally as much, and that is irritating..gutar players, keyboard players, fiddle, and others think that we seem to be 'free territory' when it comes to playing..both studio and live.
But, the absolute worst is..when you play something, any phrase or note selection on a run through or rehearsal and you hear another player take that and use it in what is going to be their lead or fill, 'cause they always take the guitar or piano first for some reason. Of course a great producer can(hopefully) see through that ripoff and make it right, but years ago it got me sandbagging on rehearsals and practice sessions.
Back to the forum..backing a singer, in my opinion, is not laying out, but playing what you feel while the singer is doing what he/she does..yes, in the gaps between phrases, but not always. And, you do not have to know everything about the song. Worry less about what you're going to play and more about feeling where the song is at......it's the same live or in the studio......but guard your ideas early on!..lol..that's just my sour grapes surfacing..no problems.
One more thing, if you're playing live and the singer looks back or over at you and he looks like he just ate a raw piece of garlic..lay out..now this does not pertain to backup singers, fiddle players, the guy with the tambourine/shaker, or anyones wives!
Last edited by Jeff Peterson on 29 Mar 2023 12:56 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 29 Mar 2023 12:49 pm
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Words of wisdom from one of the warriors that's seen a lot of battle. This geezer surely appreciates the sharing.
Just watched an old TV Clint concert. Enjoyed your work there too. |
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Rich Arnold
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 30 Mar 2023 3:21 pm
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I think it might have to do with the way recordings are mastered these days. With too much compression. And it seems to make for less room.
I've played sessions where I've been accused of stepping on the vocals. I told them to pan it a bit and push it back a bit in the mix. They then realized my fills sounded pretty good. |
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Rick Campbell
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Sneedville, TN, USA
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Posted 30 Mar 2023 6:30 pm
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Very good advice. I agree that you can play with the singer, or lead player, without playing on top of them. It's something you have to get a feel for. Sometimes I can feel it better that others. I think too much absolute separation creates a sterile sound. Good producers are so valuable. Billy Sherrill was one that I respected so much for how he could build a song.
We're taught to not play on top of singers, but I often hear singers making announcements, bragging on the band, etc... while the musician is playing their break.
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Jeff Peterson
From:
Nashville, TN USA
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Posted 31 Mar 2023 4:39 pm
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| I love being a geezer! If I say something stupid, I can just say 'I don't remember'. I had just watched the discussion Paul F had with Lloyd Green on Youtube and he reminded me of the live album with Charley Pride live. Just listen to the first song...Lloyd's all over Charley, but you can tell his volume is up and down according to where Charley was. Yes, this could have been done in mastering, but dollars to donuts that's how Lloyd played it. |
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