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Topic: Rod Position Proper Setup |
Paul Hutzler
From:
Seattle, Wa
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Posted 22 Feb 2023 12:57 pm |
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I have an all pull Carter S-10. On the changer there are 4 raise holes and 2 lower holes. I always have to relearn this but I think I understand how the leverage principles work on the raises: (in the below scenario, the guitar is in normal playing orientation, feet on the floor)
1. on the bellcranks, the slot closer to the floor will result in the hardest and fastest pull
2. on the changer, the slot closer to the ceiling will result in the hardest and fastest pull
Did I get that right?
Ok... but my real question is. For the lowers, does points 1 and 2 above still hold true? I think for the bellcrank its the same --slot closer to floor is harder and faster. But is it the opposite for the lowers (from the raises) on the changer end? That is, the lower to the floor, the harder and faster the pull.
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Carter S-10, Shobud D-10, Shobud Pro II D-10, Supro 8 String Lap Steel, Regal Black Lightening Dobro, and Excel D-10 with 10 pickups one for each string, one string for each amp |
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Tucker Jackson
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 22 Feb 2023 5:20 pm
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Paul, the answer is "yes" to both questions.
You have the leverage correct -- and the rules are consistent within the changer-end of things: with the guitar set up in playing position, closer to the ceiling on the changer is hardest and fastest... regardless of whether it's a raise or a lower.
And those rules are reversed at the bellcrank end of things.
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Since we work on the guitar upside down, I prefer to visualize this stuff with the guitar oriented that way rather then way we've been discussing it above. These diagrams are with the guitar UPSIDE DOWN:
The Bellcrank (labeled "Pull Bar" here):
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The Changer(note that the rules are reversed as compared to the bellcrank)
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Paul Hutzler
From:
Seattle, Wa
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Posted 22 Feb 2023 5:52 pm
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Ok cool, Tucker. Thanks for the clarification. And also thanks for clearly spelling out the orientation. Half the time people are discussing bell cranks and changers, it always seem ambiguous which orientation they're talking about! 
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Carter S-10, Shobud D-10, Shobud Pro II D-10, Supro 8 String Lap Steel, Regal Black Lightening Dobro, and Excel D-10 with 10 pickups one for each string, one string for each amp |
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Paul Mozen
From:
Fl, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2023 3:20 pm BC changer
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| So I just switched 4 rods on my Carter D10 Basically Day to Emmons. I used the middle hole on the Bellcrank. Now the raises seem very hard on the A and C pedals. ??? what did I do wrong? |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 13 Mar 2023 4:08 pm
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Follow the Carter rodding chart. On the pull bar, #1 is the hole closest to the cross shaft.
https://www.scribd.com/document/544741380/Carter-Rodding-Chart
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Paul Mozen
From:
Fl, USA
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Posted 16 Mar 2023 8:14 am
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Thanks Richard,
Now I will spend all day with my guitar upside down changing the rods. |
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Scott Spanbauer
From:
Boulder, Colorado, USA
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Posted 22 Mar 2023 7:18 am
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Also available on the web here, if you don't want to sign up for Scribd:
http://steelguitar.com/rodding.html
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Justin Emmert
From:
Greensboro, NC
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Posted 22 Mar 2023 8:55 am
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| A really great steel mechanic taught me how make changes on my guitar. I think the single best thing he taught me was to write down the hole positions of the pedals/levers I was going to change before I started moving anything. That way I could always go back to zero if I screwed anything up. |
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Bob Snelgrove
From:
san jose, ca
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Craig A Davidson
From:
Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA
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Posted 24 Mar 2023 2:28 pm
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Also take pictures. That helps too.
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Patrick Timmins
From:
Seattle
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Posted 24 Mar 2023 2:53 pm
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Hi Paul.
The Carter rodding chart is a good start, but leaves some pulls unbalanced, or un-timed as some would say (as in, pulls on 2 strings may not start and end at the same time). I have converted 3 Carter U12s to extended E 9 and had to stray from the Carter chart a bit to get the pulls to start and stop at the same time.
Stop by the shop sometime and I can show you how to get everything pulling synchronously.
Patrick.
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Paul Mozen
From:
Fl, USA
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Posted 6 Apr 2023 6:44 am Rod Position
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| Well Patrick , Do you have a shop in Fl? |
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Patrick Timmins
From:
Seattle
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Posted 6 Apr 2023 9:36 am
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Hi Paul.
Sorry no shop in Fl. The original poster (also Paul) is from my area (Seattle).
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