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Topic: What C6 copedent do I want? |
Jon Baumgartner
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Iowa, USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2023 5:42 pm |
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| Hi friends. I have been playing E9 for many decades, using the Emmons setup, and I like it. It's functional and it makes sense. I recently bought an Emmons d10 Push Pull and the C6 pedal and knee lever setup is a complete mess. I want to learn to play the C6 neck and the way it is set up is driving me crazy. Nothing makes sense. So here's my question: do I want to use the standard Emmons Nashville setup for the C6? I'm going to have to tear apart everything and rebuild it all and I only want to do it once. Is Emmons Nashville the way to go? For you guys that actually use the C6 neck regularly and understand it, I would really appreciate your guidance on how I should put this one back together. Many thanks! Jon |
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Bill Cunningham
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Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2023 6:12 pm
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Go with the basic Buddy Emmons setup and it will keep you busy for a long time. You can evolve from there if/when you desire but those changes are the foundation to build on.
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Jon Baumgartner
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 12:23 am What C6 copedent do I want?
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| Bill says go with the Emmons set up and that's what I was thinking I would hear, so that's what I'm going to do. Everybody have a good day. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 1:59 am
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I too would concur with Bill, go up to the Emmons website and use the standard tuning. The C6 tuning is not difficult to understand , its only a C tuning. With just a tad of study, you can see 1-4-5 / 1-2-4-5 / 1-6-2-5 etc... laying right in front of you. Sure there are multiple variances of string grips and chords , just like the E9th tuning. I think many view the 5 pedal configuration with a few levers and fear the worst. In reality, peds 5+6 with maybe 2 levers and a few string grips will give you more music than you can ever imagine.
Start simple, maybe even stay simple , Its not a contest 
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Jon Baumgartner
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 2:07 am What C6 copedent do I want?
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| Many thanks for your comments Tony. I absolutely concur that music is not a contest. It's about playing what the song needs no more and no less. Enjoy the day! |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 5:35 am
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What is the current setup? Is it that much different than the standard Emmons setup? If you are not good at working on push pull guitars (they can be a real pain), you might be biting off more than you can chew.
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Jon Baumgartner
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 5:46 am What C6 copedent do I want?
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| Thanks for the concern about my mechanical skills, LOL, I very much appreciate it. I have rebuilt two other steel guitars and I had to completely rebuild the E9 neck on this one. One of the responses here said that pedal five and six are the primary pedals, and the function of those two Petals in the Emmons setup is found on mine on pedals 6 and 7, so I think I may spend a few more days playing and focusing on those two. An example of what drives me crazy is that P4 lowers the third to make the minor chord, but then I have to move my foot all the way over to six and seven to get some of those changes. I'll spend a little more time with it before I make my final decision. Thanks very much! |
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 6:27 am
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| Bill Cunningham wrote: |
| Go with the basic Buddy Emmons setup and it will keep you busy for a long time. You can evolve from there if/when you desire but those changes are the foundation to build on. |
Bill knows of what he speaks. After pretty much avoiding C6th for way too many decades I decided I WAS going to put some effort into and went with what you see here. Basic Buddy with additions to grow into the rest of my life. I do sort of wish that I'd raised that 6th string E to F and lowered the 2nd string E to Eb on the 4th pedal rather than the standard 4th pedal change of raising the A's. With all I have under my MSA its beyond my feeble skills to change it.
To echo what others here have said, you'll wear out the 5th & 6th pedal more than anything else.
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 6:35 am
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| On pedal 8 add the 1st string D to D# change. Emmons had that on his later guitars. Very useful and it comes for free as it does not require and extra pedal and it does not interfere with any of the other P8 changes. |
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Jon Baumgartner
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 6:35 am
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| Hi Dale. Thank you for the confirmation and for the co-pedent. Enjoy the day! |
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Jon Baumgartner
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 6:38 am
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Hi greg, and thanks for that tip. I saw that on a layout of the Emmons co-pedent and wondered if I should do it, so I guess I will. Thanks!
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Jon Baumgartner
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 11:06 am
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| Greg, thanks for the cool tracks. |
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scott murray
From:
Asheville, NC
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 3:05 pm
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I'd highly recommend Dale's MKL changes as well. I love getting minor chords that way and the F on string 5 is essential, for me anyway. Buddy also raised string 5 to F on some of his guitars, in place of traditional pedal 4.
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Douglas Schuch
From:
Valencia, Philippines
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 4:17 pm
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Jon, I also found that using 5 pedals vs. the typical 3 of E9 awkward - I seem to have clumsy feet and found my error rate went way up when, say, going from pedal 4 or 5 over to pedal 8. I solved this with a method borrowed from Lane Gray - I put "pedal 5" on a knee lever. I have it on the LKR of the C6 cluster (I use an 8x8 coped). Lane, I think, has it on the right knee.
There are two distinct advantages to this method: fewer pedals to "trip" over, and the elimination of the need to double-foot the pedals for combinations like typical pedal 5 and 7. There are also some distinct disadvantages - mostly involving the fact that you won't be able to play other peoples' steels easily, nor they play yours. Also, if you are not keeping this indefinitely, then ease of resale and resale value are valid concerns.
As to general coped questions, Paul F in his course suggests that you start with the Buddy E. setup as most here have suggested so when you are ready to make changes, you know what you are giving up in return for whatever it is you gain. He does NOT suggest you start with his setup on C6.
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Jon Baumgartner
From:
Iowa, USA
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Posted 27 Feb 2023 4:21 pm
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| Excellent commentary, and thank you very much. I am 68 years old, so this will be my last steel guitar. I am very much inclined to just follow everyone's advice and set it up Emmons, and if the day ever comes where I develop enough skill to realize I need to make changes then I'll do it as necessary. Many thanks to everyone for all the commentary! |
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