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Topic: Can you tell me about this Emmons |
Gil Gaus
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California, USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2023 9:17 pm |
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What model is this and what can you tell me about it, or what do you need to see to tell me more? What makes this good? What does push-pull mean (newby question, I know). Is this style guitar alot harder to play/learn? Thanks in advance.
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 23 Jan 2023 9:47 pm
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That is a short keyhead Emmons all pull guitar. Made in 80’s and early 90’s.
Nice guitars. That’s not a push pull. Push pull refers to changer which is pull for raises and pushes for lowers.
That particular guitar has pentab pickups and it looks like it’s got a 5 position switch which selects different coil taps on pickups. Yes, they are great guitars.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Gil Gaus
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California, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2023 10:34 am Emmons All-Pull
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| Henry Matthews wrote: |
That is a short keyhead Emmons all pull guitar. Made in 80’s and early 90’s.
Nice guitars. That’s not a push pull. Push pull refers to changer which is pull for raises and pushes for lowers.
That particular guitar has pentab pickups and it looks like it’s got a 5 position switch which selects different coil taps on pickups. Yes, they are great guitars. |
Thanks Henry; So that is the model name? Seems awkward! And can the "pull" be set in a way that "lowers" pitch, or this guitar (and I guess most steels?) only sharps notes?
Is there anything else that you could tell me about it if you had photos of certain parts? Thanks again. |
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2023 10:43 am
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Guitar is called short keyhead because tuning key head are shorter than a regular Legrand but this guitar is also a Legrand.. The changers and keyhead are just different. Also this guitar being an all pull guitar can lower or raise any string. It is a pedal steel and difficult to learn for most people. I’ve been playing pedal steel for 30 years and still learning.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Chris Lucker
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Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2023 11:23 am
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As stated above, that is a Short Keyhead LeGrande, (SKH). Were you confused reading a description of the guitar using the term Push Pull? Actually, the cabinet is a Push Pull length cabinet — which necessitates the shortening of the keyhead.
Nice guitar and it has the early combed changer mount.
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Chris Lucker
Red Bellies, Bigsbys and a lot of other guitars. |
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Gil Gaus
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California, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2023 11:37 am
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| Thanks guys! Anyone in Northern CA who works on these? |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 24 Jan 2023 12:17 pm Re: Emmons All-Pull
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| Gil Gaus wrote: |
| And can the "pull" be set in a way that "lowers" pitch, or this guitar (and I guess most steels?) only sharps notes. |
Practically all pedal steel guitars these days will raise and lower. And even the ones that were not designed to lower as well as raise (some of the earliest or cheapest ones) can be made to lower with some modifications.
That is a very nice guitar that you have pictured. But unless the price is very good, it's probably over-kill for a beginner. |
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Mike Vallandigham
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Martinez, CA
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Posted 24 Jan 2023 3:26 pm
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Gil - are you close to the Bay Area?
There's Tom Bradshaw in the area.
If it's changing around the copedant with existing parts, that's pretty simple - we could probably guide you.
Putting on new levers or adding new stuff might be a little more involved. |
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J R Rose
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Keota, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 24 Jan 2023 6:28 pm
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Gil, Turn the guitar over and take some pictures of the belly as well from the changer end and post them. You will get more help here. J.R. Rose
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Gil Gaus
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California, USA
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Posted 25 Jan 2023 9:48 am
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| Thanks everyone. Great help here! I'll get some pictures of the inside. Just have to locate a block and tackle so I can lift it! |
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Richard Alderson
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 25 Jan 2023 10:02 am
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Be glad its not the Fender.
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Derby SD-10 5x6; GFI S-10 5x5; GFI S-10 5x5; Zum D-10 8x7; Zum D-10 9x9; Fender 400; Fender Rumble 200; Nashville 400; Telonics TCA-500. |
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Gil Gaus
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California, USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2023 12:39 am
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Ok, I think I figured how to set this baby up. Folks wanted to see more photos..
Best/common tunings are E9 and C6? I'll be playing Bluesy Americana stuff Greg Leisz style, not country. Moody colorful background stuff. I'm a good electric guitar player and can play slide on that, so I have that side of things covered.
What are some well done instructional videos that are maybe not so much centered on theory and more on ear playing?
Wow, there are 6 knee levers? I assume they are not all used at once... daunting. Yes, overkill for a beginner.
thanks everyone!
p.s. I'm still looking for anyone with knowledge/advice on Wheeler Ped-all steels. Need legs, rods and pedals (just 3). |
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2023 10:01 am
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Dang, that guitar looks almost new. If you can get at fair market value, I’d latch onto that.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Gil Gaus
From:
California, USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2023 12:58 pm
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| I own it. |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2023 1:10 pm
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| Gil Gaus wrote: |
| I own it. |
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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scott murray
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Asheville, NC
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Posted 27 Jan 2023 3:38 pm
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great guitar. I count 7 knee levers and they are typically used one at a time 
the 3 on the far left (when sitting at the guitar) should operate the front neck (E9) only, along with the first 3 or 4 pedals. pedal 4 may work on both necks, or just one. the rest of the pedals should work the back neck (C6) only, and you'll shift your left leg toward the center of the guitar to use those 2 levers and the remaining pedals on C6. the two knee levers on your right leg should work on both necks as well.
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1965 Emmons S-10, 3x5 • Emmons LLIII D-10, 10x12 • JCH D-10, 10x12 • Beard MA-8 • Oahu Tonemaster |
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Richard Alderson
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Illinois, USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2023 8:53 pm Which tunings? E9th and C6th ? Yes
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Yes, best tunings are E9th and C6th; that's what the guitar was built for. The E9th tuning will do anything you want from classical music to rock to country and blues and everything in between. Almost all the instructional material is based on E9th. At first you will just be learning A&B pedals, and E lowers, E raises & C pedal on the front neck which is your E9th. But its nice to have everything in place for when you advance it will already be there for you. 95% of pedal steel guitarists use E9th, and there is a reason, its versatile. The E9th 10 string tuning with 3 pedals and four knee levers is one of the great musical inventions of the 20th century. It works. If I remember right Greg Leisz has a 12 string & he has a couple of unique "pulls" or changes on his guitar but the basis of his tuning is E9th, same as about 95% of the pedal steel guitar community.
Then you can make a decision about c6th based on your musical tastes, and experience, and how much time etc you have to practice. E9th is worth a musical lifetime in itself.
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Derby SD-10 5x6; GFI S-10 5x5; GFI S-10 5x5; Zum D-10 8x7; Zum D-10 9x9; Fender 400; Fender Rumble 200; Nashville 400; Telonics TCA-500. |
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scott murray
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Asheville, NC
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Posted 27 Jan 2023 9:32 pm
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I find C6 just as versatile as E9, even more so honestly
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1965 Emmons S-10, 3x5 • Emmons LLIII D-10, 10x12 • JCH D-10, 10x12 • Beard MA-8 • Oahu Tonemaster |
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Gil Gaus
From:
California, USA
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Posted 27 Jan 2023 9:36 pm
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thanks all.
Hey this is just a related question. The Emmons legs thread into the Wheeler Ped-all steel I got. What thread size are the Emmons legs, so that I can try to find some legs for the Wheeler, and what is the best source for generic legs, pedals (3) and rods and pedal board for that guitar? |
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Richard Alderson
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 28 Jan 2023 7:57 am
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| scott murray wrote: |
| I find C6 just as versatile as E9, even more so honestly |
That's cool Scott, I notice in the avatar that your little Superman is playing the C6th neck !
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Derby SD-10 5x6; GFI S-10 5x5; GFI S-10 5x5; Zum D-10 8x7; Zum D-10 9x9; Fender 400; Fender Rumble 200; Nashville 400; Telonics TCA-500. |
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