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Topic: Must see video by Paul Sutherland (demolished chords) |
Scott Denniston
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Hahns Peak, Colorado, USA
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Andy Zahnd
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Switzerland
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Posted 4 Dec 2022 2:22 am |
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| What a great Video! Paul nail it! It will take a long time to get it.... but it worth it! Thank you so much! |
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Larry Dering
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Missouri, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2022 8:01 am
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| Paul offers an incredible amount of information on chords and string usage in his videos. Quite a valuable resource for pedal steel instruction. I have watched his channel for years. Thanks Paul. |
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Steve Mueller
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Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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Posted 4 Dec 2022 9:18 am
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Great basic info on Diminished chords and where to use them in a basic progression.
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Scott Denniston
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Hahns Peak, Colorado, USA
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Posted 5 Dec 2022 7:27 am
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| It seems to me that once the positions become ingrained it goes way beyond passing chords in that you would have many more positions or pockets to create colorful licks. I've pretty much been a key centered basic position player. I've long been aware of dim and aug chords but have never used them that much and it never occurred to me to use them for licks. Same with substitutions. |
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Bengt Erlandsen
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Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 5 Dec 2022 3:10 pm
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Learn to view the diminsihed as a rootless 7b9 and your musical life might unlock some   creativity and understanding. It made so many puzzlepiecies fall in the right place once I realized what this ment.
Any of those 4 notes found in the diminished can be lowered a haftone to become the root.
The diminsihed associated with an E7 would be a G#dim not Fdim even tho G#dim and Fdim share the same notes. The notes function differently.
In fact there can be a lot to be gained by viewing/hearing diminished, halfdiminished and augmented voicings from the "3rd" of a given chord compared to viewing those(diminished, halfdiminished and augmented) as root type chords.
B.Erlandsen
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Bengt Erlandsen
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Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 5 Dec 2022 3:50 pm
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Take a little time to absorb how these positions allow for smooth movement between inversions of the two chords shown. It might come in handy sooner or later.
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Note -----7A(full pedal) vs ----9a(halfpedal)
Also , root note is not present in the 7b9 voicing.
B7b9 E6 B7b9 E6 B7b9
G#7b9 C#m7 G#7b9 C#m7 G#7b9
F#---------------------------------
D#---------------------------------
G#---------------------------------
E---3L----5L---6L----7----9L-------
B---3a----5----6a----7A---9a-------
G#--3B----5----6B----7B---9B-------
F#--3-----5----6-----7----9--------
E----------------------------------
D----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
V7b9 Im7 V7b9 Im7 V7b9
V7b9 I6 V7b9 I6 V7b9
B7b9 E6 B7b9 E6 B7b9
G#7b9 C#m7 G#7b9 C#m7 G#7b9
F#---------------------------------
D#---------------------------------
G#---------------------------------
E----------------------------------
B---3a----5----6a----7A---9a-------
G#--3B----5----6B----7B---9B-------
F#--3-----5----6-----7----9--------
E---3L----5L---6L----7----9L-------
D----------------------------------
B----------------------------------
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B.Erlandsen
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 5 Dec 2022 9:17 pm
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Right Bengt. In other words...
Raising the root of a dom7 chord 1/2 step gives it the same type of voicing as a diminished seventh chord. All the intervals are minor 3rds. Paul may be playing F°7 in the video, but it is functioning as E7b9 because his intention is to resolve to A.
So when does a diminished seventh chord function as something other than a V7b9 that wants to resolve to I?
Try this, in whatever voicing you can conjure up on your steel:
C/// C°7/// Dm7/// G7///
It’s just C°7 in that context. |
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Scott Denniston
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Hahns Peak, Colorado, USA
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Posted 6 Dec 2022 7:33 pm
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| Thanks Bengt. That's a very fun thing. I'm sure to use that and will let it soak in. |
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 7 Dec 2022 11:11 am
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Hey Scott, as the originator of the thread I believe you have the ability to go back and edit the title. I’m surprised that I’m the first to mention it - you apparently didn’t proofread and it came out as “demolished” chords. 
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Scott Denniston
From:
Hahns Peak, Colorado, USA
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Posted 7 Dec 2022 1:15 pm
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| Some steel players have a sarcastic streak. |
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Mark Eaton
From:
Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 7 Dec 2022 2:04 pm
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| Scott Denniston wrote: |
| Some steel players have a sarcastic streak. |
You can’t be too sure online without additional description or emojis. I read stuff all the time where I’m thinking someone is kidding only to find out they’re dead serious. 
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