Lloyd Green and the Second String

Andrew Goulet · Posted 1 Nov 2022 6:55 pm

From what I've read, it seems like Lloyd Green's copedent doesn't lower his high E string a half step, so he uses other ways to get to the notes he wants, such as the second string.

I also don't lower the high E (actually a D for me). I'm not sure why Lloyd does it, but I do it because I like the Marlen pull-release set up simple with only a raise or lower on each string for speed, feel, and tuning stability.

I believe you can hear Lloyd doing a clever move to simulate that lever on the intro to "Nothing was Delivered": https://youtu.be/w4TPWzzUCUc

If you know of other examples of Lloyd working around that change, please share!
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Tony Prior · From: Charlotte NC

Lloyd has always been known to execute amazing bar slants so it was known that he never lowered "4" with a lever. What is interesting is others many times said if Lloyd doesn't need to lower 4 with a lever then neither do I. Very Happy

LOL- Well - there's only 1 Lloyd !

Historically though, many early Pedal Steels only had 1 lever, typically on string 2, so maybe Lloyd and the other MASTERS from the early Pedal steel era just used bar slants , and still do !

I recall Buddy talking about this subject years back at St Louis, what he said made total sense, something like if you have the ability to raise or lower 4 with a lever it now allows multiple other OPTIONS which may not be available with a slant. If we desire to raise or lower a note inside of a triad, we need a lever, thats what he was referring to.

Regardless, Lloyd is a brilliant player, he still inspires all of us , with or without the dang lever ! Very Happy

This discussion reminds me the Telecaster B Bender discussions, many say the B Bender is just a gimmick and thye can do everything a Bender can do without a B ( or G ) Bender on their guitars. Claiming they can bend notes with their fingers. WELL not so fast. Try bending that pesky B or G string with your fingers when it is a note INSIDE a triad. Ain't gonna happen. This is the exact same concept Buddy was referring to with regard to the 4th string raise/lower on a lever .
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Dave Campbell · From: Nova Scotia, Canada

i think lloyd green feels that the 4th string raise causes some intonation issues.

check out the lloyd green tribute site http://www.lloydgreentribute.com.

the tabs on the site are masterful and demonstrate a million and one ways to be frustrated by your own mortal limitations...lots of second string use.

Andrew Goulet · Posted 2 Nov 2022 5:20 am

Yes you definitely need that lever if you want that note in a triad (at least some of the time, I imagine). I think I play too many triads already! Lately I've been trying to focus more on dyads and extended chord tones.

Thanks for the tip, Dave!
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Craig A Davidson · From: Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin USA

If you want the D# in the triad just play the second string. It's really pretty simple. Also easy to get used to doing.
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Brett Lanier · From: Madison, TN

Same here, I also don't lower 4. If you haven't figured this out yet... learn how to move up and down across the fretboard diatonically on string 2 and 5 by lowering string 2 or not. You get harmonized thirds up and down the neck that will lead you to some interesting places. It's also good even if you do lower string 4. Putting physical distance between those notes rather than playing them on adjacent strings makes for a better sounding 3rd, imo.

Bobby Snell · From: Austin, Texas

Mr. Green demonstrated a bit at one of the St. Louis conventions, and (paraphrasing here) said that it was very valuable to be able to make the second string go down the 1/2 step, to the full step, and then back 1/2 step again before returning.

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