Push/Pull Question

Benjamin Franz · From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Question for the Emmons brain trust. Do the screws marked in the photo bellow attach to the keyhead? I need to take the endplate off to change some long lowering rods, and need to know if I need to un tension the strings before undojng that screw.

john buffington · From: Owasso OK - USA

They do attach to the key heads on both of my Emmons guitars.

Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

Be sure and loosen your strings before you remove those.
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Benjamin Franz · From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

That’s the info I needed. Thank you both.

Ron Funk · From: Ballwin, Missouri

Do those PP end plates really need to be removed to change some long lowering rods?

Thanks for good info!

Ron

Henry Matthews · From: Texarkana, Ark USA

Tony Glassman · From: The Great Northwest

On reconfigurations, I hardly ever remove the end plate. I’ll usually loosen pedal/ knee lever brackets near the key head to get more wiggle room. Then I’ll gently bend the pull or push rods either up & over the key head endplate or changer endplate to extract them. Reinstall is done by the reverse process

Tony Glassman · From: The Great Northwest

On reconfigurations, I hardly ever remove the end plate. I’ll usually loosen pedal/ knee lever brackets and appropriate bell cranks near the key head to get more wiggle room then I’ll slide the pull or push rods back towards the changer and gently bend them up & over the changer and its endplate to extract them. Reinstall is done by the reverse process

Benjamin Franz · From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

I had to an emergency reconfiguration from Emmons to Day, and if you look closely at the photo, you can see the E lower rods are bent from pulling them out and reinstalling, so I’ll replace them and am definitely taking the end plate off this time.

Erv Niehaus · From: Litchfield, MN, USA

I've owned some p/p guitars where there is an extra hole drilled in the end plate.
I'm sure it was put there to aid in removing the rods.
Erv

Ian Worley · From: Sacramento, CA

You can insert new lowering rods through the output jack, usually without even removing the jack, although removing it gives a little more leeway. You sometimes need to loosen or remove the screws from RKR base to clear the path, but much easier than removing the end plate. You'll still have to flex the long rods a little as you guide them through but usually not enough to distort them. It's a bit tricky if you're adding lowers to LKL as they're long enough that you need to feed them through the guide block near the changer on the way in.
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Peter Freiberger · From: California, USA

Not everyone approves of this method, but I also remove the end plate to install long lowering rods without bending them. A rod guide or bellcrank mid way to the changer helps keep them from flexing when in use.

Once I have everything in place I put some washers under those key head screws and tighten them so I can tune the guitar back up on the bench and fine tune the compression spring(s). I use no compression spring on the longer pull, and on the string with the shorter travel I use the shortest possible spring that will allow the lowers to start and finish at the same time.

Adjusting the lower return springs is also important, needless to say.

Benjamin Franz · From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Thanks for all your replies!

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