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Topic: A small triumph... |
Roger Rettig
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Posted 30 Jun 2022 2:34 pm |
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I didn't think for a moment that I'd manage to do this but here goes...
I have always liked the 'Isaacs Pedal' on E9. That's where you raise the 5th and 6th to C# and A respectively but you don't raise the 10th! That stays a B and you have a 4 chord over a 5 in the bass.
I used to have it as a pedal but it got superseded over the years. Today I was checking my tuning in general and thought: 'Why not split-tune the A pedal (10th string) with my RKR?'
My RKR lowers 2, 9 and 10, the 10th drops to a warm low A. With 9 down to C#, strings 10, 9 and 8 give me a nice A major.
Following the Emmons split-tuning sheet, I finally got the lower to exactly cancel out the A pedal raise.
Hey, presto - I have my Isaacs change back - pedals A and B and RKR.
(You have to remember that I find this stuff difficult!)
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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Lee Gauthier
From:
Göteborg, Sweden
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Posted 30 Jun 2022 3:04 pm
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On your D13 copedent when you get it you can also get the same 4 over 5 voicing with the A + B pedals if you think of the C as the root:
D13 W/A+B
E
C
G
D
C
B
G
E
D
C
B
D
Gives you D C E G and a few other variations depending on what string set you grab  |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 30 Jun 2022 3:18 pm
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I see that, Lee - thanks.
I must say that, since I did the Emmons this afternoon, my thoughts turned to my D13 (whenever it should come). I was thinking that I could have my RKR cancel out the A to B raise on the 11th string when P3 is engaged.
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Lee Gauthier
From:
Göteborg, Sweden
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Posted 30 Jun 2022 3:27 pm
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| I thought the same thing when you made this post. You'd have to choose which split is tune tho correct? String 11 could either split p3 + p4 to Bb or split p3 + RKR to A. Maybe you could get both with some fancy rodding? |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 30 Jun 2022 3:30 pm
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I hadn't thought of that! That flash of comprehension earlier today was a rare moment of lucidity. You're probably right. 
I can always ask; the details of the order aren't yet filed with the builder (just a deposit).
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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scott murray
From:
Asheville, NC
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Posted 30 Jun 2022 3:31 pm
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well done sir!
I may have to try that. the 4-over-5 is a great chord and I've got it all over my C6 but the only version I really use on E9 is just strings 7,6,5,4 with no pedals. it could use more low end
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1965 Emmons S-10, 3x5 • Emmons LLIII D-10, 10x12 • JCH D-10, 10x12 • Beard MA-8 • Oahu Tonemaster |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 30 Jun 2022 3:35 pm
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I love it. Scott!
I just went to my guitar and checked I wasn't dreaming. There it is - a rich 4/5 chord and right in tune.
I must add that lowering 9 and 10 to C# and A gives a very fat A major. Just add the B pedal and raise the 6th. |
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scott murray
From:
Asheville, NC
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Posted 30 Jun 2022 7:43 pm
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the same chord (4/5 or 9,11) came up in this recent b0b thread: https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=382305
the lowering of 10 and 9 along with the B-pedal raise on 6 never occurred to me before, Rog. very nice!
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1965 Emmons S-10, 3x5 • Emmons LLIII D-10, 10x12 • JCH D-10, 10x12 • Beard MA-8 • Oahu Tonemaster |
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Andrew Frost
From:
Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 30 Jun 2022 8:05 pm
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The LA 5 chord!
Your RKR split approach sounds interesting.
That voicing also lives on the open E9 strings ( E over F# )... |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 1 Jul 2022 1:51 am
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Andrew: 
It's a vital part of pop music. Maybe once it was more 'LA' than 'Nashville, TN', but no longer, surely?
I'm working on 'Hill Street Blues': I know it's going to come in handy there!
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Roger Rettig: Emmons D10, B-bender Teles, Martins, and a Gibson Super 400!
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Andrew Frost
From:
Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 1 Jul 2022 2:19 pm
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I have a mild obsession with this chord, particularly the streamlined 4 over 5, without any extra chord tones...
Ya, Hill Street Blues, great example. ...also, the Long and Winding Road, Easy Like Sunday Morning and one thousand other songs, of course.
It really seems to have had its heyday in the 70s and early 80s.... the "show biz chord".
My ears are always open to finding early uses of it on pop records, for example, you hear it coming into its own as a specific device on The Impressions "People Get Ready" and other gospel, jazz influenced R&B. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 1 Jul 2022 2:47 pm
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Yes, and those James Ingram and Lionel Ritchie songs are dripping with them, too. I tend to think that, rather than belonging to an era, these changes - this one, the m7b5s, etc. - are a testament to the high musical standards in that league of pop music.
I have 'Hill Street....' figured out on 6-string (albeit in E rather than the written key of Eb), but my new change will help me get it on E9. There have been a few roadblocks but nothing that the lower strings on my impending D13 won't cover. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Andrew Frost
From:
Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 1 Jul 2022 4:15 pm
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| nothing that the lower strings on my impending D13 won't cover. |
Well, that's certainly something to look forward to!
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 1 Jul 2022 4:44 pm
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Lee
Nice to know I'm in good company!
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