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Topic: How to get from A to BC Pedal |
Sigi Meissner
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Duebendorf, Switzerland
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 12:30 pm |
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Do you lift your foot or do you just move your ankle joint. I dance with my foot and on certain tunes my LLR feels so uncomfortablly. I sometimes fold it. I think this topic has covered already. A threat would be helpful
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A. J. Schobert
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Cincinnati, Ohio,
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 12:54 pm
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| Who cares if this topic has been talked about it is always good to get fresh idea's, I have my heal in front of the B pedal, thus allowing me to rock on and off the A or C pedal as well as throwing a knee lever seems easier as well,I would try to avoid dancing you can get an awsome tone with a very light touch, my LKL (left knee left) is right in line (well not directly)with the A pedal and my LKR (left knee right) is sort of in line with my B pedal, what does LLR stand for? left leg right or left leg raise? |
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Marc Mercer
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Colorado, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 12:54 pm
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Wie? Drohen? Na gut, wie du willst...
Hoer' mal, du wirst das treten sofort verbessern, sonst kriegst du was!!
Langt das?  |
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Charlie McDonald
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out of the blue
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 1:19 pm
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| What Marc said. |
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Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 1:20 pm
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| What DID Mark say? |
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Fred Shannon
From:
Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas, R.I.P.
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 1:26 pm
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Marc said:
"Wie? Drohen? Na gut, wie du willst...
Hoer' mal, du wirst das treten sofort verbessern, sonst kriegst du was!!
Langt das? 
Whatever that means.
Phred
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"From Truth, Justice is Born"--Quanah Parker-1904
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Terry Edwards
From:
Florida... livin' on spongecake...
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 1:30 pm
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Don't forget to "mash"!
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 1:42 pm
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When it comes time to switch your foot from AB to BC, stop what you are doing, look under the steel, move your ankle to the right, position your ankle properly, then go back to what you were doing.
By then the tune should be about over...
Maishe de pedalsa...[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 23 October 2006 at 02:44 PM.] |
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autry andress
From:
Plano, Tx.
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 1:42 pm
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| Thanks Marc I'm gonna give it a try. |
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mickd
From:
london,england
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 1:44 pm
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so much fun from a typo 
Sigi - I have tried the fixed heal technique, but I find it only works if I keep reminding myself that I'm going to play BC soon. Otherwise my foot ends up way too far left and I always end up having to lift it. Of course, if you play C6 theres no way around this anyway . |
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Ernie Pollock
From:
Mt Savage, Md USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 1:53 pm
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I recall Jeff Newman making a comment that he had actually caught Ralph Mooney using a 'third' foot, he rarely lets anyone see this extra foot he has, but Jeff was pretty sneaky & caught him at it. Moon probably uses that one on the 'C' pedal
Ernie
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 2:25 pm
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Ralph Mooney doesn't have A, B, or C pedals
He also has no chromatic strings
He only pulls one string with each pedal
As I recall his P3+4 raise G# to A and B to C# on the equivalent of the 5th/6th strings on E9. His P4+5 do the same thing on the 3rd/5th. His P6 raises E (his 2nd string; equivalent to 4th string on std E9) to F#
There are some things he can do with his setup that are a BEAR to do on std E9. Pressing A+B then raising E to F# is only one of them. He does some really cool stuff with G# to G on the high string too.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
My CD's: 'I've Got Friends in COLD Places' - 'Pedal Steel Guitar'
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Jim Phelps
From:
Mexico City, Mexico
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 2:34 pm
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| Position your left foot so that you can step on A and B together, then to step on either A or B independently, just rock your foot to the right or left. To depress B and C together, or C alone, leave your heel on the floor in the same position you have it in for the AB pedals, lift the ball of your foot a little and pivot on your heel and swing the front part of your foot to the right for B and C together or C alone. [This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 23 October 2006 at 03:43 PM.] |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 3:29 pm
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Jim,
I may be misreading Sigi's question but I think one of the problems is getting a smooth transition between and AMaj (or C#m with only the A pedal) and F#m. What you (and others) have said about pedal technique is true. Planting the left heel and swiveling the ankle is a good idea for several reasons but Ernie's comment about Moon having a 'third foot' is also valid. Any way you slice going from A+B to B+C involves letting off of the pedals momentarily. There are ways to do this creatively but the right foot on the C pedal is the only way, short of having a separate pedal or knee lever, which some folks do.
Sigi,
If your LKR gets in the way, it may not be adjusted properly. Otherwise, you may just need to isolate and practice that move many many times.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
My CD's: 'I've Got Friends in COLD Places' - 'Pedal Steel Guitar'
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Wayne D. Clark
From:
Montello Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 4:13 pm
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Well how about this arrangement (probably tried and discarded). Since the A pedal Raised your 5th B to C# as does the C pedal. Why not put the F# of the C pedal on the LkL and eliminate the C pedal. the LkL is already raising the E on the 4th string to F. Just a suggestion, and an expression of how little I know. Jeff Newman didn't even wright a lesson on the C pedal and it's function, that seems strange.
Desert Rose S10 3/5
Goodrigh 120
Nashville 400
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Delvin Morgan
From:
Lindstrom, Minnesota, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 4:23 pm
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Why don't you get rid of "C" pedal all together, and use the 1st string with A&B, they are the same notes.
my 2 cents |
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Larry Bell
From:
Englewood, Florida
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 4:30 pm
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We've been through this before. If all you use the C pedal for is slower tunes a lever or pedal with E to F# works fine.
Listen to [url=http://www.larrybell.org/mp3/Rollin'.mp3] this clip.[/url] (Mike Smith should get a kick out of this one since I stole his solo)
There's a B+C pedal lick at about 13 sec into the clip that is just about impossible to play with A+B and a knee lever but is pretty easy to pull of with B+C. There are other examples but this one comes to mind.
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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
My CD's: 'I've Got Friends in COLD Places' - 'Pedal Steel Guitar'
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S/D-12 6x6, 1984 Sho-Bud S/D-12 7x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 23 October 2006 at 05:31 PM.] |
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Fred Bova
From:
Connecticut, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 4:37 pm
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| I have my 3 pedals set up DAY style and only have one Knee lever. I have opted to setup my one Right Knee lever so that RKL raises my E to F# so I can get the Mooney changes. |
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Jim Bates
From:
Alvin, Texas, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 5:36 pm
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Practice, practice, practice. If you have to play a realistic intro to 'Pass Me By' you need to use if for the right sound.
I always play gigs in walking heel cowboy boots. If I played in any other type shoe, probably would have difficulty with all pedals.
Thanx,
Jim
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Roger Crawford
From:
Griffin, GA USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 6:07 pm
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| Phred, since you put it like that, it makes perfect since. Why didn't I think of that before??? [This message was edited by Roger Crawford on 23 October 2006 at 07:09 PM.] |
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Marc Mercer
From:
Colorado, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 6:13 pm
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Hey, Sigi - ! I didn't scare you off, did I? I was just havin' a little fun with you, seeing as you ended your post with "A 'threat' would be helpful."
Just a joke - Drohen=Threat
I know you meant 'thread'; I'm too inexperienced to offer input on pedal technique, but it looks like you got your wish!
p.s. - Half my relatives are German, and I tend to be a
kidder. |
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Wayne D. Clark
From:
Montello Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 23 Oct 2006 6:28 pm
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Thanks Larry, enjoyed the Solo, I see that the desired results some times takes two different configurations depending on the progression of notes played.
If we didn't have these seemingly (Oh That Question Again) we would assume EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT, and ther would be no dissemination of information. And if that is the conclusion than We might Just as well Close the Forum. But that is not the case. The Forum is extreemly informative even if questions repeat them selves from time to time. Well enough of my ramblings.
Desert Rose S10 3/5
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Charlie McDonald
From:
out of the blue
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Posted 24 Oct 2006 3:23 am
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Larry, it all went by so fast that I wasn't able to catch the subtleties of technique.
But I guess that's the idea, isn't it?
[I dumped the C pedal, moved P. A to the right of B and have an E->F# lever, and it is exceedingly slow. Experimentation is often good, even if brings you back to a more common solution.] |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 24 Oct 2006 6:31 am
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I havent' had a C pedal in years. As I love Ralph and the way he uses both feet I have an E to F# raise on my 8th floor pedal which I can just pop off the volume pedal and use on fast stuff. On slower things if I need that sweet sound of bringing in that note slowly I use the B6th positioning with the E's lowered. Then you just use your regular A pedal for the same thing. For the same movement as you'd get raising your 3rd string along with it just let up on your knee lever which lowers your E's. Tom Brumley originated the change where you raise string 7 to G# on the 1st pedal which is what I, b0b, and some others have. When you want the normal sounding movement of the B & C pedals just play strings 4, 5, & 7 and then depress the "Brumley" pedal and your normal A pedal and release the E's. The "Brumley" change has a lot of other uses and I use it more by itself than I ever did the C pedal.......JH in Va.
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Don't matter who's in Austin (or anywhere else) Ralph Mooney is still the king!!!
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 24 Oct 2006 9:14 am
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| I guess if you can manage the ankle swivel keeping your heal on the floor, that could be an advantage. I could never get that to work - having my heal planted between the two groups was just not comfortable for either one. Eventually I learned to move my whole foot from the AB position to the BC position quickly and accurately - it does come automatic after awhile. Either way you still have to release A and B completely before mashing B and C. Having a knee change to get the F# is the only way to make the change completely smooth. But then you loose other things you could do with that knee lever. All depends on what you want. |
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