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Topic: Emmons D-10 6719 |
Tim Lancaster
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2022 5:58 pm |
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A friend of mine works at a music shop and recently came across an emmons d-10 with a 6719 serial number. Before seeing the number I assumed it was a 70’s model. I have read a couple of threads in the forum to try to date it but can’t find anything close to this number on the charts given and it’s also lacking a “d” in there as well. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 18 Jun 2022 7:07 pm
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The 6xxx serial numbers are from the early '80s, the last PPs. Some questionable alterations on this one...
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Tim Lancaster
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2022 7:48 pm
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| Ian Worley wrote: |
| The 6xxx serial numbers are from the early '80s, the last PPs. Some questionable alterations on this one... |
Thanks for getting back to me, Ian. My eye is not trained to read the undercarriage of a push pull, so I’m curious as to what questionable alterations you are seeing. |
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Tim Lancaster
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Kentucky, USA
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Posted 18 Jun 2022 8:49 pm
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| I should also mention I haven’t seen this guitar in person and now that I’m looking closer at it, I’m only seeing two levers… am I missing something here? |
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Kelcey ONeil
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Sevierville, TN
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 4:53 am
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Tim,
You are correct that there are only two knee levers, and it is also missing 2 of its 8 pedals and hardware. It's in pristine condition, but it would require some $ in parts and service to get it up to speed.
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Tim Lancaster
From:
Kentucky, USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 5:20 am
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| Kelcey ONeil wrote: |
Tim,
You are correct that there are only two knee levers, and it is also missing 2 of its 8 pedals and hardware. It's in pristine condition, but it would require some $ in parts and service to get it up to speed. |
Thanks, Kelcey! I sent you a pm to discuss further, if you have the time. |
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Roger Rettig
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Naples, FL
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 5:47 am
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Back in the early-2000s, Doug Palmer was making some P/Ps up, using bodies (lacquer, if I recall correctly) that had languished for years in the basement at Burlington Avenue.
I was there waiting to Ron Jr to fit a new K/L on my LeGrande and watched Doug working. I assume there must have been a number of end-plates available, too.
I wonder how those guitars were numbered. Perhaps it was random and depends upon what was already stamped on the end-plate?
I think he only made SD-10s, but I could be mistaken.
Coincidentally, I got a good look at Buddy's Brown Bart - it was in the shop for some sort of repair while I was there (all day!) |
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Tim Lancaster
From:
Kentucky, USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 5:52 am
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| Roger Rettig wrote: |
Back in the early-2000s, Doug Palmer was making some P/Ps up, using bodies (lacquer, if I recall correctly) that had languished for years in the basement at Burlington Avenue.
I was there waiting to Ron Jr to fit a new K/L on my LeGrande and watched Doug working. I assume there must have been a number of end-plates available, too.
I wonder how those guitars were numbered. Perhaps it was random and depends upon what was already stamped on the end-plate?
I think he only made SD-10s, but I could be mistaken.
Coincidentally, I got a good look at Buddy's Brown Bart - it was in the shop for some sort of repair while I was there (all day!) |
Sounds like a good day, Roger! |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 6:23 am
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Tim:
I've had worse!
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 9:08 am
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| Tim Lancaster wrote: |
| ...I’m curious as to what questionable alterations you are seeing. |
In addition to the missing parts mentioned, the rodding is very funky. It's hard to know why without knowing how it's tuned. The bell cranks on the first three pedals are in the correct positions for normal E9 A-B-C pedals, but the rods go off in odd directions, not parallel, and to odd locations in the changer, not to the normal E9 pulls. All the raise fingers are set to the same position with open tuning screws. Same thing on the back neck, it looks like the three remaining pedals might be C6 P5, P6, P7. All the raises on both necks are connected to the last hole in the fingers, all the lowers on the front neck appear to be disconnected... The guitar looks like it's in good condition physically, but it needs some serious set up help.
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Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 9:12 am
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Roger, I have one of these late PPs - 6413 built in late 1981.
I was told they were invoice numbers that were stamped on the endplates, to to differentiate them from the LeGrandes that were being built alongside.
I absolutely LOVE mine. I love the LeGrande pedals.
Mine is RW with black wood necks.
BTW - it hurts my eyes to look at those crooked rods. 
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Tim Lancaster
From:
Kentucky, USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 9:13 am
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| This is all great info and I appreciate the insight, Ian. I’ll pass it along and see what they want to do. |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 9:14 am
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I can't now recall what Doug had on his bench, Mike - maybe he was building yours!
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Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 9:19 am
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HA! I always forget there are later PPs than mine.
Mine was from 1981 - the last of the original ones.
Those ones built after 2000 were really special. If I recall, the bodies were all left-over too. Well seasoned. I figure they were painted later, when Doug was working on them.
I wonder if they continued the 6xxx invoice serial numbering on those? |
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 9:21 am
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Duplicate post.
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Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E,
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 9:26 am
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| Ian Worley wrote: |
| The 6xxx serial numbers are from the early '80s, the last PPs. Some questionable alterations on this one... |
A cross head screw in the top photo. Holding the end plate to the cabinet. My p/p has a flat head screw in that position, and it's the same vintage as that guitar.
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Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E, |
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Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 9:43 am
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Ken, you just made be bend over to look at mine - I have Phillips head screws on all four corners on mine.
Mine's pretty original, but I don't know what's correct.
Is yours an 80/81 PP? |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 10:08 am
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| Nice project Emmons nice!!! |
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 12:40 pm
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Dual post.
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Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E,
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Ken Byng
From:
Southampton, England
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 12:41 pm
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| Mike Vallandigham wrote: |
| Ken, you just made be bend over to look at mine .................. |
Sorry about that Mike.
My guitar is a 1980 model.
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Show Pro D10 - amber (8+6), MSA D10 Legend XL Signature - redburst (9+6), Sho-Bud Pro 111 Custom (8+6), Emmons black Push-Pull D10 (8+5), Zum D10 (8x8), Hudson pedal resonator. Telonics TCA-500, Webb 614-E, |
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Tim Lancaster
From:
Kentucky, USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 12:49 pm
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| Johnie King wrote: |
| Nice project Emmons nice!!! |
Thanks, Johnie! I haven’t acquired the guitar yet. Waiting to see if I can make it work financially. Currently in communication with Mike Cass. |
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Mike Vallandigham
From:
Martinez, CA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 2:04 pm
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| Ken Byng wrote: |
| Mike Vallandigham wrote: |
| Ken, you just made be bend over to look at mine .................. |
Sorry about that Mike.
My guitar is a 1980 model. |
haha! It's OK Ken - I made it!
My guitar was gone thru by Mike Case prior to me owing it and it really plays well.
Very comparable to an all pull guitar in most respects.
So that's a good move. |
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Skip Edwards
From:
LA,CA
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Posted 19 Jun 2022 8:17 pm
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| Mike.... you have 6413? Lucky you... nice guitar. I came close to snagging that one a while back. Always wanted one of those rosewood mica/black laq neck p/p's... |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 20 Jun 2022 7:58 am
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Roger,
They made some D10s at that time also.
I bought two of them
I still have one.
The one I sold was a beautiful sunburst finish.
FedEx damaged that one in shipping, they paid me for it, and it wound up in an auction house in Utah.
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 27 Jun 2022 3:18 pm
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My #6620 is a guitar that was built for me in 1982. I like that vintage guitar very much. It honks. I have to put nickel strings on it to calm it down. 
I wonder if the guitar in question was a custom order with only 6p/2k. Strange, but it could happen with a one-off build. If you could purchase that guitar at a price that would factor your having to spend $$ bringing it up to current standard, it would be worth having the work done, IMHO.
Adding knee levers and changes would pretty much necessitate redoing the undercarriage and that would take care of the other anomalies.
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