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Topic: Whats a good mic for my steel king? |
Jeremy Threlfall
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Posted 13 Jun 2022 7:29 pm |
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Hi Everyone
I've got one of these Gravity Cab Clamps for my Steel King - to save all the mess of mic stands behind me and in front of the amp, which is tilted up on its front wheels directly behind me. Some engineers prefer to use mics - I prefer they use the DI. Anyway, I got this clamp https://www.gravitystands.com/en/products/microphone-stands/16098/ms-cab-cl-01
Now, I would like to get an up-standing mic (AKG C214 type thing) in place of my usual SM57, which pokes out the better part of a foot when its in front of the amp.
I know next to nothing about mics, except that my 57s do the job and the sound guys appear to like them.
Can anyone recommend a good industry standard type flat mic that stands up and is vaguely suitable for the Steel King? Something around the 57's performance/price quotient?
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Paul Sutherland
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Placerville, California
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Posted 13 Jun 2022 7:37 pm
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Sennheiser e609
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 13 Jun 2022 9:55 pm
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You mentioned the C214 - that's a good mic for anything. Of course it needs phantom power, but don't all mixing boards have that these days?
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 14 Jun 2022 1:36 am
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Another vote for the e609. Was turned on to this mic by a sound man about 8 or 9 years ago. Still use one. No stand of any kind needed. You just hang it over your amp. Of course, you can also use a stand.
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David Ball
From:
North Carolina High Country
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Posted 14 Jun 2022 2:04 am
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Another vote for the e609.
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 14 Jun 2022 2:08 am
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Agreed |
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 14 Jun 2022 4:32 am
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I am fine with the 609 and it's what I use.
I was told by a player who is also a serious sound guy that the 906 is what the 609 was trying to be. I have never A/B'd them and the only difference I can point my finger at is one hundred dollars (and yes, the 906 has a switchable presence filter).
I'll stick with what I've got. But I do respect him so I'm just mentioning this. |
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Bruce Bjork
From:
Southern Coast of Maine
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Posted 14 Jun 2022 5:55 am
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Sennheiser e609
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Dave Hopping
From:
Aurora, Colorado
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Posted 14 Jun 2022 6:12 am
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Another E609 fan here.I put mine on a gooseneck as pictured.
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Jeremy Threlfall
From:
now in Western Australia
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Posted 14 Jun 2022 6:06 pm
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| Jon Light wrote: |
I am fine with the 609 and it's what I use.
I was told by a player who is also a serious sound guy that the 906 is what the 609 was trying to be. |
The 906 is supercardoid and the 609 cardoid. I just looked up what that means. The 906 will pick up a bit of whats directly behind the mic, but only a little way
I dont mind spending the extra hundred, but I'm getting the impression the 609 is a better proposition all round in this application
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Jeremy Threlfall
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now in Western Australia
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Paul Sutherland
From:
Placerville, California
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Posted 14 Jun 2022 8:49 pm
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From everything I've ever read, the Sennheiser e609 and e906 are both super cardoid dynamic mics, and neither uses phantom power. The 906 is a bit better for studio use, and the 609 works well for stage. The 906 is twice the price. The 609 is very similar in price and performance to a Shure SM57.
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 15 Jun 2022 2:56 am
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| What my friend told me did not cause me to go out and 'upgrade' my 609 to a 906. But if I recall, he said that the 609 was intended to 'be a 57' (with the excellent form enhancement of the side-address shape) but the 906 succeeded. Or something. It was interesting but it did not cause me to hate the 609 that I was using. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 15 Jun 2022 6:42 am
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Here is a nice comparison write-up on these microphones. And yes, actually NO, the e906 DOES NOT require phantom power.
https://bpmskills.com/producer/microphones/sennheiser-e609-vs-e906/
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Jeremy Threlfall
From:
now in Western Australia
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 17 Jun 2022 7:26 am
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For live work I use a 609. Recording is a different story.
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 17 Jun 2022 8:19 am
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I have an e906 that I miked my six string cabinet when playing halls. (My steel playing was bar-band and the PA was vocal support only)
The e906 has a 3 position selector: enhance highs (=609 ish), neutral and rolled off highs to help "pre-EQ" the signal for the PA board.
In the neutral position - the mic signal through the board is about 95% identical to the amp's room sound - it was incredibly easy to dial this mic in at the PA - flat EQ at the board was nearly perfect making the 906 "crappy sound man" proof.
The bright setting on the e906 is the e609 sound and as stated - kind of SM57 ish given its presence peak (though nowhere as "granular" and undynamic sounding as a 57). Compared to a 906 the 609 is likely a bit more fussy to dial in at the board unless you have sweepable mids (or preset mid eq @ 2k) you can attenuate that presence band a bit..
Since your sound for a PA mix is everything the audience hears I'd say your mic investment is of equal importance as your amp investment. Thus a vote for the more flexible 906.
They don't make them anymore due to prohibitive cost but the 409 (and 509) are even better than the 906 for transparency in micing a cab. 10 years ago used ones were $500. Probably $1000 now. Just a heads up in case you have a retired friend with one from yesteryear.... |
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