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Topic: Want Copedent to Get A6 Tuning on E9 Neck |
Bryce Van Parys
From:
Washington, USA
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Posted 17 May 2022 12:29 pm |
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I'm trying to figure out a copedent to get an A6 (or other x6 tuning) like a lap steel without having to hold too many levers/pedals for an extended period on an E9 neck. Basically, to get the advantage of a 6 string lap steel with one change.
I think I've figured out that, if I use the franklin pedal that I have, which already lowers the 10 -1, then add a -1/2 on 9, and a +1/2 on 6 it would get me A C# E F# G# C# or an A6 tuning. Am I on the right track here?
Bryce
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Double bass, Mike Lull V4, G&L SB2 electric bass, Stratocaster, Telecaster, Les Paul, Martin D18GE, |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 17 May 2022 2:25 pm
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Just push A and B pedals to get a good chunk of the A6 tuning - from bottom to top (all 10 strings):
C# D E F# A C# E A D# F#
What I do to get the rest of my 8-string A6 tuning on my only 10-string SD-10 with E9 neck is to
1. Put an extra heavy string on string 10 and tune it down to around G so that when the A pedal is depressed, it goes up to the low A; and
2. Either engage the string 9 D=>C# change (mine is on RKR, which btw, also lowers string 2 D#=>C#), or if I'm lazy and want to just use the A & B pedals, just tune string 9 down to C#.
This gives A C# E F# A C# E A x F#
where x = C# (3rd of A major scale) if I use the RKR approach and D# (b5 of A major scale) if I don't. But either way, I get a pretty full 8-string A6 tuning on the bottom 8 strings. The only odd part is the re-entrant (out-of-order) high F#.
As I recall, I use a .042 wound, or even a .044 or .046, on string 10, and it has not caused me any issues when I tune it back up to B. In fact, I actually prefer the tighter tension on string 10. I find the typical .036-.038 wound string to be a bit slack.
With the E9/B6 universal tuning, you get this same basic A6 tuning without any of this diddling around with the bottom two strings. Just hit A & B pedals and away you go. Or just hit the E=>Eb lever and you get a pretty full B6 tuning.
When I'm playing 10-string E9, I tend to use the 9th string D quite a bit, so this workaround helps since I use A6 non-pedal quite a lot, especially on Western Swing stuff. |
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Bryce Van Parys
From:
Washington, USA
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Posted 17 May 2022 3:28 pm
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Thanks, that all makes good sense. I'm thinking, if I mod my Franklin to get an A6 on the bottom 6 it would be the same voicing and adjacent strings as a 6 string lap steel, and the transition would be easier than learning the licks differently on each guitar. But I'm still in fool around stage. I still like going back to my double neck where it's all laid out for me, but I'm transitioning to the Single E9 for ease of travel
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Double bass, Mike Lull V4, G&L SB2 electric bass, Stratocaster, Telecaster, Les Paul, Martin D18GE, |
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 17 May 2022 4:23 pm
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My first guitar was a Fender 800, it had an interesting setup. The A pedal raised string 5 B>C# like normal, but it lowered 9 D>C#; B pedal raised 3 G#>A and lowered 10 B>A. Pedals down was A6 across strings 3-10 (+ the F# on string 1 too) with root on 10, and without that pesky D on 9.
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Kevin Mincke
From:
Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 17 May 2022 9:28 pm
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| U-12 will cover it. |
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Bryce Van Parys
From:
Washington, USA
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Posted 18 May 2022 9:23 am
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A U-12....I was afraid of that 
I just got a second guitar. I need at least 6 months before I'm allowed another !
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Bryce
Double bass, Mike Lull V4, G&L SB2 electric bass, Stratocaster, Telecaster, Les Paul, Martin D18GE, |
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Bryce Van Parys
From:
Washington, USA
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Posted 20 May 2022 7:02 am
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Thanks Dave! Did as suggested and put a .46 on the 10th string, tuned down the 9th to C# and voila! a nice open 6th tuning for some patsy cline walkin after midnight without hauling my double neck
Thanks!!
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Bryce
Double bass, Mike Lull V4, G&L SB2 electric bass, Stratocaster, Telecaster, Les Paul, Martin D18GE, |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 20 May 2022 1:07 pm
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| Bryce Van Parys wrote: |
Thanks Dave! Did as suggested and put a .46 on the 10th string, tuned down the 9th to C# and voila! a nice open 6th tuning for some patsy cline walkin after midnight without hauling my double neck
Thanks!! |
Bingo! Yup, that's my approach. In fact, Walkin' After Midnight is the exact type of tune that calls for this. One band I play with does tons of material like that, including a lot of Patsy and a bunch of Western Swing that really likes A6, no pedals. A bunch of Hank tunes too. Sure, I can play them without the low strings in the tuning. But with this, I can get almost the exact tuning that's on my Clinesmith without having to always tote it. Sometimes, it's tough finding room for it or making the switch.
I have an Anapeg that I got already set up in a more-or-less 10-string E9/B6 universal G# B E F# G# B E G# D# F#, so it's already set up for that. And of course, my Zum U12 too. But I have an SD-10 set up very standard E9 that I really like sometimes, and this did the trick. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 20 May 2022 4:35 pm
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| How about a setup like Danny Sneed's? |
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Dave Mudgett
From:
Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 20 May 2022 6:24 pm
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Just so people know what Danny Sneed's setup is about, here's a quote from Russ Wever on this thread on that very subject - https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=253870 - it's the 10th reply.
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Think about the 'usual' E9th tuning. Push A & B pedals and have an 'A' chord (open).
Now think about having it tuned already to the 'A' chord and you push the A & B
pedals down to lower string 3,5,6 & 10 to the 'E' chord. This is how Danny does it!
But wait, he tunes it all down a whole-tone! So it ends up that he has a G tuning in
place of the usual E9th.
As well, he has the 'Chalker' version of C6th, with
an E on top and a low D and A in place of the low C.
Danny's definitely one of my favorites.
~Russ |
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Jeff Mead
From:
London, England
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Posted 22 May 2022 7:52 am
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| On my E9, my A6 "safety net" is strings 4-9 with A and B pedals down and a lever that lowers by D to a C#. My regular six string A6 tuning. I also have a bonus high A on my 3rd string, |
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Paul Redmond
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 22 May 2022 10:53 am
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Send me your snail-mail address and I'll send a copy of my setup your way. I've been getting my "6th stuff" on the A6th side of the E9th tuning for many years and have even given up my E9/B6 Uni guitars because I don't need that tuning anymore. I also am able to get the usual "6th" changes using the standard E9th KL's. It's all there on 10 strings!!!
PRR |
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John Drury
From:
Gallatin, Tn USA
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Posted 24 May 2022 6:56 pm Re: Want Copedent to Get A6 Tuning on E9 Neck
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| Bryce Van Parys wrote: |
I'm trying to figure out a copedent to get an A6 (or other x6 tuning) like a lap steel without having to hold too many levers/pedals for an extended period on an E9 neck. Basically, to get the advantage of a 6 string lap steel with one change.
I think I've figured out that, if I use the franklin pedal that I have, which already lowers the 10 -1, then add a -1/2 on 9, and a +1/2 on 6 it would get me A C# E F# G# C# or an A6 tuning. Am I on the right track here?
Bryce |
Duane Marrs put this tuning on my old S-10 Sho~Bud many years ago. I have used it ever since. He referred to it as his "Full Gospel" tuning.
I also had John Fabian build a Carter with this tuning on it years ago.
I currently have it on my Mullen Discovery, and yes I know the Discovery is designed only to accomodate 4 pedals. I have since scrapped the raise on the 2nd string Eb to E.
Duane used this setup when he played at the "Cowboy Church". He had a sound all his own!
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