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Topic: Buy this old Shobud, or explore other options? |
David Cochran
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Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 12 May 2022 8:39 am |
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I am brand new to playing pedal steel, but groomed my affinity for bends and steel-style sounds on my telecaster with a B bender and G bender.
A friend has loaned me his old Shobud S10 3x4 to try out for the last several months, and now I have the opportunity to purchase it (plus his old Randall Steelman). I am very motivated to keep learning, and to commit to the investment of owning a pedal steel, so I'm considering my options. I feel like it's bad practice to buy the first one I ever play, but given the scarcity (or absolute dearth) of pedal steels in local stores, I cannot build a good standard of comparison.
My impressions of the Shobud are positive enough, though I feel like there are better guitars out there. The pedal travel seems a little inconsistent between A,B, and C, but maybe that can be adjusted, or acclimated to. I'm pretty indifferent about the tone; it understandably doesn't quite compare to the recordings I know and love, since those are studio quality sound recorded by studio quality musicians, while I'm a novice with likely poor bar technique. Structurally, one of the end brackets was a little loose and looks to have some new hardware holding it on. After a little tightening, it felt a bit more secure. The legs are sometimes a pain to screw in while assembling it, and I anticipate taking my prospective steel to jams on a weekly basis, so that might get annoying.
Maybe someone could tell me more about this guitar from the photos that I have, and inform me of any endemic issues to look for on this particular model, and point me to resources that will help me set it up optimally?
In my experience with guitars, sometimes vintage instruments aren't always the best options for a beginner, so if I could do better for my money, I welcome that input as well. It's not much of a budget, but I'm looking to spend between 2500 and 3000. I'm almost exclusively searching the secondhand market in the Oklahoma/Texas area, since shipping can be a prohibitive headache.
Thank you!
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 12 May 2022 9:58 am
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The guitar is a model 6139, built June '73. There is a serial # list here: https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1951049#1951049. When properly setup and maintained, this era of Sho-Bud can be really nice and tend to sound really good. This one looks pretty tired though, rode hard and put up wet. A lot of the original setup has been altered, to what extent is hard to tell from the limited pics. Also hard to know what effect this has had on play-ability. In any case, this guitar looks like it's ready for a full tear down and rebuild.
This was the first iteration of '70s Professional series, the "rack and barrel" undercarriage. This one still has the original five "racks" but only one barrel, that's the brass tuner thingy on the C pedal, string 5. The range of adjustment for pedal and lever travel that you asked about is one of the big limitations compared to a modern guitar, which tend to have more leverage options for each individual pull. If you have $2500-$3k to spend I would suggest looking elsewhere, there are some very nice used, and even new, modern pro level guitars available in that price range. Clunky old guitars are not very motivating for learning on.
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Skip Edwards
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LA,CA
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Posted 12 May 2022 11:03 am
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As much as I like old 6139's (I have one myself that I bought new), after looking at the one posted, I'd say explore other options.
Something new might work out better...
JMHO |
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D Schubert
From:
Columbia, MO, USA
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Posted 12 May 2022 12:30 pm
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| I also have a blonde Sho-Bud 6140 (converted to a 6139) that was just overhauled by Ricky Davis, and it sounds great. It plays well now, but there are still some limitations to the rack-and-barrel linkage and the 1+1 changer. As much as I hate to say it, I've been playing my GFI EXPO a lot more, mostly because it feels tight and precise, and there are a few changes you just can't add to the old Sho-Bud. đź’™ |
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David Cochran
From:
Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 12 May 2022 2:01 pm
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| Thanks for all of the input so far! As chance would have it, I just got a lead on a 4 x 4 MSA for a pretty good price that I’m going to look at on Saturday. Still welcoming feedback as well! |
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Richard Alderson
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 13 May 2022 7:56 am This Buds for you ... maybe
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Dear David - You have a great price point, for 2500 to 3000 you have a ton of options, and much better than the particular guitar in question. If you like single neck Sho Buds and you are willing to pay 2500, here is a nice option already been worked on and has everything you'll ever need, and with new parts and a great finish. This one is not going last long I don't think. Its in the for sale section now at 2800.
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 13 May 2022 9:33 am
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I restore many shobud's for 28 years; but I always suggest if you HAVE to buy your first pedal steel to learn on; Get a More Modern USER Friendly at least 3 pedals and 3 knee levers and Learn for couple years. Then you have just added to your EAR and TECHNIQUE and MECHANICAL repertoire that will guide you RiGHT TO the Pedal Steel you will want for a long long time for the price you are willing/Can Pay.(it might be Old Classic or NEW; but you won't know until you get there.)
Good luck.
Ricky
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 14 May 2022 12:42 am
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David, did you say how much the Sho Bud will cost you ? If you did, I didn't see it.
I would certainly agree that a newer modern era Steel is perhaps the best bet for a new player but that doesn't guarantee that it will be in good order.
I've seen and worked on several NEW era Steels that were in need of some serious work.
New doesn't mean good, GOOD means Good !
be wise, ask questions . If possible purchase from a PLAYER , retail stores typically know nothing about Steel guitars other than it has 4 legs.
ask away !
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K Maul
From:
Hadley, NY/Hobe Sound, FL
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Posted 14 May 2022 5:00 am
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Why would someone replace the original pull rods on a rack+barrel with rods with nylon tuners? Eliminating the barrels completely messes up the tuning system!
Years ago I bought (for a low price) a two-hole puller Bud that had been similarly “converted”. I got new Allen key type rods from PSG Parts and redid the whole thing. It worked fine and sounded great. Later I sold it, of course… I miss it now-of course!
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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David Cochran
From:
Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 15 May 2022 6:28 am
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 Much gratitude to all for the input here! I’m glad I heeded the advice and looked at other options. Yesterday I brought home this MSA. The seller said it is a mid 70’s Classic that has been tuned up by the MSA techs in Mesquite, TX. I haven’t spent much time with it yet, but it already feels tighter and smoother than the ShoBud I was loaned, and at a considerable fraction of the asking cost. I even get an extra foot pedal out of the deal!
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Charley Bond
From:
Inola, OK, USA
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Posted 15 May 2022 7:45 am Your "NEW TO YOU" MSA
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You have hit a GRAND SLAM HOME RUN, enjoy...
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 15 May 2022 10:07 am
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Great job David, that'll work. MSA is wonderful old or new, very user-friendly enjoy, soak it all in bro.
Ricky
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